Posted on 05/20/2004 6:10:41 AM PDT by vanmorrison
Don't we all find humiliation worse than death? (sarcasm)
The statement that the jail abuse scandal is worse than 9/11 is one of the stupidest statements ever uttered by mankind.
If humiliation was worse than death, then Al Querry would commit suicide immediately.
Oh give me a F'kerry break! These people are just idiots.
Given that 9/11 gave us moral authority and national unity, and Abu Ghraib took away from these things, I'd say the Archbishop is correct in his assessment.
I couldn't disagree more. National unity aside, the fact is the Arabs hated us before and were creating their own little photoshopped pictures of US soldiers abusing Arabs in prison. There is no way one can reasonably compare the loss of 3,000 Americans, the changing of our way of life, the loss of over 1 trillion dollars in our national economy and the fact that 9/11 has resulted in two wars and more loss of fine young men and women and humiliation of some terrorists already in jail. Even had those 7 or 8 soldiers actually killed some terrorists in jail before their actual guilt was determined, it would not adequately compare to 9/11.
While I can agree with your statement, I don't belive thats what the archbishop ment by his statement but I am glad you could see it that way. BTW nice glasses, are those rose colored? :)
Democratic Party - Irrelevent
Klintoons - Irrelevent
Catholic Church Leadership - Irrelevent
Political Correctness - Irrelevent
John F'ing Kerry - Irrelevent
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Compare the time spent on the all-important images of Abu Gharib with the way the press, after two days, decided that the images of 9-11 "weren't good for us." and didn't show people diving to their deaths any more. I have seen, in my life, 3 press images of people jumping out of windows at WTC. I have now seen the "man in the cape" about 27x.
Koppel ( who AGAIN featured Abu Gharib last nite--the man is so predictable) and the other America-haters wonder why we're not more turned off to Bush. What morons.
The Vatican is still steamed by the publicity America gave to the perverts in its ranks. However, the Christians like Bush took no particular glee in the revelations; rather it is the secularists in the pulpit, media, legal profession and politics who twisted the knife.
Dear Euro-Morons::
There was no 1991 Gulf War.
There was was the 1990-1991 Gulf War, which began when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Then, after repeated offers to let Saddam off the hook if he would withdraw, the US and the Coalition RESPONDED to that invasion. Why is it that the Europeans, of all people, are the most ignorant of history? Maybe they've had so much of it that theyir brain systems are overloaded and they are just totally confused 24/7
Can I get a shout of "Amen!" to your list, brother...
Not according to Wall Street, whose job it is to track such things. And not to the people, many of whom are friends of mine, who planned to retire but are so wiped out from the immediate aftermath of the stock market tumble after 9/11 that they don't think they can ever recover and retire.
Surely the deaths from 9/11 were absorbable by our society without much noticeable impact, or perhaps our troops are misplaced at the moment?
Absorbable by society? I'm not sure I've ever seen those deaths referred to that way. And the next terrorist attack, should they kill 100,000 through a use of WMD, is that absorbable too?
The major effect of Abu Ghraib is that we (or some part of us) hate ourselves now, not that Arabs hate us any more or less.
That some misguided people may hate ourselves more since the publication of some humiliation suffered by terrorists at the hands of a few sadistic soldiers is a result of media propoganda and bias and years of dumbing down America. After reading Mona Charen's book (the name of which I've forgotten at the moment), it is hard to imagine that the Democrats quoted in that book could hate themselves and American any more than they have since, oh, the 40's. As Jeanne Kirkpatrick famously said years ago, the hate America first crowd has always existed in our society. They will use any excuse and those photos gave it to them. But that doesn't take away from the central fact that they hated their country and countrymen prior to those photos being taken and published.
The Vatican better clean up its own act. Thousands of Catholic youth were subjected to far worse sexual abuse by Catholic priests than the humiliations given to a few hundred prisoners in Abu Ghraib. The perpetrators of the abuse at Abu Ghraib are also being exposed and punished. This is a far cry from the cover-ups and hush money used by the Church in its handling of the sex abuse scandals
I'm sorry, but what took place at Abu Ghraib does NOT qualify as "torture". TORTURE is what the good old Catholic priests inflicted upon Protestants, Jews, and Muslims in the Inquisition. This twit should re-read the history of his own organization.
It was bad enough for the Pope to praise Islam profusely after 9/11. Then he was deadly silent about the Christian Holocaust around the globe at the hands of Muslim animals. Now this nonsense. Very disappointing.
On this we will have to just agree to disagree. I found it horribly offensive that anyone could equate humiliation of terrorists who probably had the blood of our soldiers on their hands and 9/11. It's a strawman sort of argument that makes no sense and is circular logic to state that we have so harmed ourselves with a group of people (Arabs and Democrats alike) who WANT to believe the worst of us and who were photoshopping bogus photographs anyway.
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