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Giuliani Offers Tough Defense to 9/11 Panel
New York Times ^ | 5.20.2004 | N.R. Kleinfeld

Posted on 05/19/2004 10:09:51 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick

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James Estrin/The New York Times
Sally Regenhard, whose son died in the trade center attack, was one of the relatives of victims who heckled former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani during his testimony. Someone shouted, “Put one of us on the panel.”
1 posted on 05/19/2004 10:09:51 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: hellinahandcart; sauropod; firebrand; Tabi Katz; Clemenza; Cacique; Oschisms; NYCVirago; ...
Betsy Parks, who lost her brother, Robert Emmett Parks Jr., on Sept. 11, had yelled out in the room for a family member and a first responder to be on the panel. Now she said, "I wanted to hear why everybody above the fire in both buildings was simply forgotten about."

Who the hell said they were forgotten?! It was, undoubtedly, a painful decision when the FDNY realized that the fires were too intense to try to put out.

She said, "I was disappointed by Giuliani's testimony. I was bored by it."

If that's so, then she's one truly stupid twit.

2 posted on 05/19/2004 10:12:19 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("If I could shoot like that, I would still be in the NBA" -- Bill Clinton, circa 1995)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Go to hell, Sally.


3 posted on 05/19/2004 10:14:27 PM PDT by Clock King
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Sally Regenhard is so angry because, psychologically, she blames herself for her son’s death. Unable to cope with that guilt, she has to find dozens of others to label “murderers” – Guiliani, Bush, the FBI, the CIA, etc. Every once in a while, she apparently manages to correctly touch on the demonic, cave-dwelling barbarians:

They should never have killed Sally Regenhard's son — whoever "they" are. For 14 months, Regenhard has scattered blame like buckshot. Her accusations take aim at the "demonic, cave-dwelling barbarians" who piloted jets into the World Trade Center, the engineers who built the "house of cards" that fell on her firefighter son and the "idiotic bureaucrats" who approved its unconventional design...

Christian Regenhard, a writer, artist, mountain climber and bohemian world traveler, was studying fine arts at San Francisco State University in 2000 when his mother mailed him an ad about the New York fire department seeking recruits. He flew home, aced the written and physical tests and cut off his ponytail. He was a rookie when the five-alarm fire sounded on Sept. 11. Regenhard can't help but blame herself for sending him the ad."I bought into the aura that the New York City fire department was the best in the world ... that it was safe," she said, crying again. "I will regret it for as long as I live — which better be another 50 years because I've got a lot of butt to kick."

Sally, I am very sincerely sorry for your loss. But let it go. The demonic cave dwellers killed your son. Not you. Not Guiliani. Not Bush. Not the FBI. Not the CIA.

The demonic cave dwellers did it.

4 posted on 05/19/2004 10:19:21 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Excellent points -- thank you!


5 posted on 05/19/2004 10:22:12 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("If I could shoot like that, I would still be in the NBA" -- Bill Clinton, circa 1995)
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Yes, excellent, but I still refuse to have any sympathy left. Sally needs a splash of cold wet tough love to get over her pain. Coddling her won't do it.


6 posted on 05/19/2004 10:32:18 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: NYC GOP Chick

I don't know which prime-time griever it was, but one said today that Giuliani shouldn't have wasted the time of the 9/11 commission with his grandstanding.


7 posted on 05/19/2004 10:37:19 PM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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Such poise is not often seen. Once again you are a hero, Mr. Giuliani. The commission also shows how gutless they are in not bringing their attacks to the man in charge.


8 posted on 05/19/2004 10:39:01 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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The commission also shows how gutless they are in not bringing their attacks to the man in charge.

Lehman was despicable comparing the firefighters and policemen who honorably risked their lives to save people, let alone the scores of them who died trying to save the lives of others to Boy Scouts.

Rudy did an excellent job in showing the true statesman that he is.

9 posted on 05/19/2004 10:52:00 PM PDT by EGPWS
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One side of the story? What exactly should have been done in the minds of some of the families? I'm getting beyond tired with their antics. Bad stuff happens, terrorists flew planes into buildings where their loved ones worked. Horrific stuff, but at some point, they need to buy into reality.


10 posted on 05/19/2004 10:53:27 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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I can relate to poor Sally, to a degree. My son needed direction in his life. My husband & I encouraged him to join the military. He joined the Navy, and it has thus far been the greatest thing that could have happened. Of course I fear for his safety. God forbid he should die serving us. I would forever regret encouraging him to enlist. If he makes it through whatever time he chooses to stay in, without getting killed or seriously injured, I'll forever be grateful that he chose the military life. Hindsight is 20/20. We make the best decisions we can with the information we have. If he does die, and I go stark raving insane and start pointing the finger of blame at all the wrong people, I hope my husband has the good sense to take lessons in spousal abuse so he can shut me up before I publicly desecrate my son's memory, and everything he lived for. Where is poor Sally's husband, and why isn't he punching her mouth closed?


11 posted on 05/19/2004 11:31:55 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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Then Slade Gorton, a commissioner who the previous day had uttered some of the more caustic remarks about the city's response, told Mr. Giuliani that his own arithmetic suggested that more than 99.5 percent of the people in the towers who could possibly have been saved, the ones below the fires, were saved, invited Mr. Giuliani to confirm that "overwhelmingly remarkable" performance.

This remarkable statistic is buried, of course, halfway through the article.

12 posted on 05/20/2004 1:43:09 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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Betsy Parks, who lost her brother, Robert Emmett Parks Jr., on Sept. 11, had yelled out in the room for a family member and a first responder to be on the panel. Now she said, "I wanted to hear why everybody above the fire in both buildings was simply forgotten about."

343 firefighters, and 37 cops, died trying to save those people who were "simply forgotten about." What the bleep did this woman think the city could have done -- hired Superman? Put out a searchlight for Batman? Given Spiderman a call? This may be the most ridiculous 9/11 family member comment ever.

13 posted on 05/20/2004 1:46:13 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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Regenhard can't help but blame herself for sending him the ad."I bought into the aura that the New York City fire department was the best in the world ... that it was safe," she said, crying again. "I will regret it for as long as I live — which better be another 50 years because I've got a lot of butt to kick."

Yeah, everybody knows that firemen never die in the line of duty.

14 posted on 05/20/2004 1:48:25 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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Again, they're behaving as if everyone knew on 9/11 that those buildings would be on the ground in ninety minutes.

There were no elevators working. The firemen had to take the stairs. Even if they'd managed to climb seventy to ninety stories in time, the fires were ten to fifteen stories high. Something like that can't be put out quickly.

They were heading up to the fire anyway, and that's why so many firemen died.


15 posted on 05/20/2004 1:51:45 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: NYC GOP Chick
A despicable headline from the NY Times.

Where do they get the idea he was there to "defend" anything?

Now, I'll read the article.
16 posted on 05/20/2004 1:55:53 AM PDT by leadpenny
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"My son was murdered. He never got a Mayday."

She keeps saying that, but I still don't know how she could possibly know whether he did or didn't hear a Mayday.

17 posted on 05/20/2004 1:56:14 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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Lehman is on Fox now trying to justify what he said.

I think he is saying the communications networks for the city s/b just like what the military uses, including backup systems. The city does not have adequate command and control systems.


18 posted on 05/20/2004 4:30:28 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Good grief, talk about bias:
independent federal commission
conspicuously gentle questioning from the commission ...

Who wrote this crap? Barbara Cartland?

19 posted on 05/20/2004 4:39:57 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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a phalanx of aides

looking strangely bulky

20 posted on 05/20/2004 11:57:53 AM PDT by firebrand
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