Posted on 05/19/2004 6:22:07 AM PDT by billorites
True.
Certainly it is not a necessary precursor.
torture is the precursor, not just killing animals (if so, my dad is in trouble for hunting...lol)
Sigh...
You're an object of envy.
"should be", but that might not be always possible. Not everyone has access to a backhoe, and the room to bury a horse. A neighbor's cow, laid for 3 days waiting for the rendering company truck to pick her up.
I am not advocating sending horses to slaughter. (I have two buried in my pasture). There is money to be made, and as the article states, taxes to be collected. There is a demand for the meat, and unfortunatly the horses will suffer.
In a perfect world they would all "be put out to pasture".
I didn't say horses weren't trainable. Some are more trainable than others. If that is what you are calling intelligence ok. I was replying to the statement that horses going to slaughter are afraid because they know what is going to happen to them.
They don't.
I don't agree with sending your old horse, your friend & helper to be butchered any more than I would do that to my old dog. They deserve to spend their last days in the pasture. But if a horse was raised for food I wouldn't have a problem with it anymore than a cow being raised for food.
*I* haven't tamed any horses. I am no more morally culpable for whatever was done with them by other people than I am for slavery. Thus, I am not personally bound by any such obligations, and resent any attempts to restrict my liberty at the point of a sword.
In the first place, it makes no difference to me what you think of me or what anyone else thinks of me.
You can take your Noble Steed ideas and shove 'em.
My whole point is that there are crazy horses, and they will hurt you.
Sometimes the choice is a bullet in the head or very harsh treatment to correct that horse.
You can cry your crocodile tears all you want, but sometimes you can save the horse by extreme methods.
When I say, "save", I mean you can save it so that you can work it, not keep it as a pet.
There is never any joy in having to do that.
And this subject lost it's interest for me yesterday.
Then why did you post to me today?
My whole point is....Sometimes the choice is a bullet....or very harsh treatment to correct that horse......the horse by extreme methods.
Your whole point is to brag about your cruelty. Your posts have little to do with horses, or the suject of slaughter for food, but of what kind of a man you are. You take delight and pride in recounting the gore of accidents and the extreme measures that you resorted to to "remedy" the problem.
Your story about the "$5,000 cutting horse" was enough for me. You bought that horse from its previous owner, apparently, because you liked its performance when you observed it being ridden by its owner. You paid for the horse, took him home, then began to ruin him. What is the matter with you? Either the horse was a gunsel when you bought him and you couldn't tell, or you turned a good horse into a gunsel. I doubt if you even asked the previous owner what cues the horse responded to. If the seller offered to spend a morning with you and the horse to acquaint you with his technique, you probably dismissed any assistance because; "you know all there is about riding any horse". You did not speak this horses language, he did not respond to your cues, so you took out your ignorance and frustration on the horse. I not only wouldn't sell you one of my horses, I wouldn't even sell you a tractor. I would sell you a rope to go and hang yourself with, however.
In the first place, it makes no difference to me what you think of me or what anyone else thinks of me.
I'll bet you got that from your old man, and I'll bet that's the way you treat your kids. You are an excellent example of a man whose frustration turns quickly to anger, rather than introspection on what went wrong. You probably work for the State of Texas, because no private employer would put up with your shi*thead attitude. However, you also probably "cower" before your supervisor and then take out your resentment on the horses, wife, kids, neighbors, etc.
My whole point is that there are crazy horses, and they will hurt you.
Your whole point is that there are crazy men and they will hurt you!
You registered so you could write me a book! (yuk, yuk, yuk!)
Yup! the title is: "TexasCowboy; All Hat, No Cattle".
Why don't you just buy a 150hp Japanese "Rice Rocket" motorcycle and take your frustrations out on that. The bike won't feel a thing, and neither will you after a while.
Regards, Buck.
This is true. But for those who have breed, tamed and used horses for profit or pleasure, there is a moral responsibility. There is a debt.
As for your "liberty", I do not see any threat to your personal liberty on this subject.
As I understand it, the focus of this thread was a bill to ban the slaughter of horses for human consumption. Thus, my choice to either eat or refrain from horse meat is being threatened by government interference.
NOPE!
Your choice to raise horses for your personal consumption of horse meat would not be affected. You would be free to raise horses and eat them to your belly's content. The ban would be in regards to the buying and selling of domesticated horses for slaughter and to export the meat overseas.
If the French and the Japanese want to eat horse meat, they are free to raise their own horses, slaughter and consume them in their own country. So are you. But to provide a market for surplus domestic horses, only increases the supply of surplus domestic horses (remember the law of supply and demand?). Thus, the Frogs and Nips get to have cheap horse meat, without having to breed, raise, and slaughter their own.
"I am no more morally culpable for whatever was done with them by other people than I am for slavery".
Whether you did or did not own slaves is totally irrelevant. Anyone who owns, or did own slaves was/is both wrong and immoral.
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