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How "Uncle Joe" Stalin Bugged FDR
Studies in Intelligence - Unclassified Edition ^ | 2003 | Gary Kern

Posted on 05/13/2004 3:08:45 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen

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The rest of this excellent article, including a detailed description of exactly how the Soviet NKVD (later KGB) pulled off the bugging of Roosevelt, can be found by clicking on the link.

I'd like to include one vignette that I think sums up the almost criminal incompetence of Roosevelt and his gang in dealing with the Soviet Union:

Having spared FDR the horror of riding one mile each day through the Persian streets, having appropriated his space and nullified his Secret Service, Uncle Joe drew him into a warm embrace. He told him that after the war he would grant freedom of religion, private ownership, and greater democracy in the Soviet Union, the name of which he would change back to Russia. Roosevelt, delighted with these unbelievable concessions, let Joe know that he could draw the postwar borders of Poland and reassume control of the Baltic republics with perhaps “some expression of the will of the people, perhaps not immediately after their re-occupation by Soviet forces, but some day.” Uncle Joe’s word—Stalin said he “understood”—was good enough for FDR.

That says it all. One of the more annoying characteristics of many leftists is that they assume they are so smart, so glib, so gifted at repartee, so endowed with good intentions that no one could possibly resist their charm and eloquence. Therefore they cannot possibly fail. Though this can and has happened with conservative politicians, I see it most often exhibited amongst the left. You saw it with FDR, LBJ, Clinton and Kerry.

The more I read about our national response to Communism in the 1930's and 1940's, the more amazed I am that we were blessed with victory.

1 posted on 05/13/2004 3:08:45 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I seem to recall the allegation that Harry Hopkins, Roosevelt's most trusted advisor, was a Russian "fellow traveler" .
2 posted on 05/13/2004 3:16:19 PM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
spy ping
3 posted on 05/13/2004 3:19:47 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Kerry reminds me of a technicolor yawn)
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To: Zack Nguyen
With Hiss and White and others at FDR's side, Stalin probably didn't need wiretaps.
4 posted on 05/13/2004 3:22:20 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Zack Nguyen
A lot of people in the 1930s thought that Marxism was a science, and that it marked the inevitable wave of the future. W. H. Auden wrote some brilliant poems to this effect during his Communist phase.

There is good reason to believe that Roosevelt admired the Communist system from much earlier, and that the alliance between the USSR and the US during the Second World War was, in his eyes, much more than a marriage of convenience.

FDR was a malign influence on our country as well as on Europe.
5 posted on 05/13/2004 3:23:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Zack Nguyen
The primary problem was no one knew if the atomic bomb would work. We had carpte bombed Tokyo and other cities civilian areas killing millions of Japanese civilians and they still would not surrender.

FDR had been told we would have a million Americans killed when we invaded Japan. Japan like the Muslims believed that if you died killing an American you went to heaven and your family did also.

FDR and Truman after him were trying to get Stalin to help us defeat the Japansese. FDR and Truman figured that if we lost a half million and Russia lost a half million that was better than us losing a million.

HST and FDR were trading eastern Europe for a half million American lives.

Today we would rather Americans die than have a Iraqi get shamed. To many an American life is not worth a snail darter fish.

6 posted on 05/13/2004 3:32:55 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
The only criticism and concern is that some Muslims are correct in seeing decadence in our country flirting with the nihilism that has already probably infested Old Europe.

Odd thing is that it is Capitalism perverted by the Left in the form of cultural warfare or politics with a capital in Hollywood.

This Michael Moore film ripping off a Great Film has me hopping made.

The Culture War is intensifying.

7 posted on 05/13/2004 3:46:53 PM PDT by Helms (Jesse Jackson has been unsuccessfully successful)
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To: Zack Nguyen
They should dig up FDR's rotten corpse and feed it to the vultures. He does NOT deserve any place of honor in our country.
8 posted on 05/13/2004 3:53:57 PM PDT by ikka
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To: NetValue
I saw an interview on some tv program with one of the top KGB agents soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union. This agent had been involved with the FDR spying.

The reporter asked the KGB agent if Harry Hopkins was a KGB agent and he sort of laughed and said something like "Lets just say he was very helpful to us" I took it to mean that he was a volunteer agent probably not completely under their control but still an agent of the Soviet Union.

9 posted on 05/13/2004 3:55:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Common Tator
I think that FDR really was naive enough to think that Russia would give Eastern Europe some political freedom. Truman, to a certain degree, saw through that. Of course how much Truman knew about the Venona intercepts is still debated to this day.
10 posted on 05/13/2004 4:09:07 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen

Old Gumlegs (as W.C. Fields referred to him) was a socalist, so he saw no problem with a Communist. It was the next stage up! FDR ranks as one of the worst Presidents in history IMHO. Made the Great Depression worse, knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance and sold out his country to the f-ing Russians and socialism.


11 posted on 05/13/2004 4:18:10 PM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry = "You mean I can get a Purple Heart for cutting myself shaving?")
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To: Zack Nguyen
I remember hearing one of the men in the accompanying corps at the Yalta conference telling about how Stalin toasted FDR as a fool - RIGHT TO HIS FACE! And ol' Roosevelt just flashed that crooked toothy grin and with that characteristic flip of his head raised his glass as though he had been honored.

FDR did untold damage to the entire free world. No wonder the democRATs revere him so much.

12 posted on 05/13/2004 4:21:20 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Zack Nguyen

bump for monday


13 posted on 05/13/2004 4:47:27 PM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: Zack Nguyen
One of the more annoying characteristics of many leftists is that they assume they are so smart, so glib, so gifted at repartee, so endowed with good intentions that no one could possibly resist their charm and eloquence. Therefore they cannot possibly fail.
Don't just restrict that to the left. That goes for far too many on the right as well!
14 posted on 05/13/2004 5:04:27 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

That's very true. I was thinking of Newt Gingrich, who never seemed to have things under control. Also, George W., during the 2000 primary, seemed to believe he had it won already. A couple of quick losses were lessons he didn't forget.

I think he has also got over the idea that he could charm the likes of Teddy Kennedy and Tom Daschle.


15 posted on 05/13/2004 5:10:05 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: nightdriver

Unbelievable. After reading this artilce, I'd believe just about anything.


16 posted on 05/13/2004 5:10:47 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Bommer

There uncomfortable fact about a lot of leftists is that they saw the USSR as an "interesting idea." Some seemed to take a more reaslistic view. I divide American liberalism between folks like HArry Truman, who were big-government progressives, and John Kerry/Hillary Clinton/Moveon.org, who are aggressive cultural Marxists and want to remake American society in their own secualr humanist image. To the latter group, it's like a religious calling.

I regard FDR as somewhere in between, if that's possible. He was just ambivalent about Communism.


17 posted on 05/13/2004 5:13:45 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Cicero

"FDR ceded the better part of Eastern Europe to Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin"
Says it all.


18 posted on 05/13/2004 5:27:39 PM PDT by TET1968
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To: TET1968; tet68

Are you aware that there is already a FReeper by the name "tet68"?


19 posted on 05/13/2004 5:40:01 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: Zack Nguyen
I was thinking of Newt Gingrich...
I was thinking of a whole lot more than just one man.
A couple of quick losses were lessons he didn't forget.
Imagine, if you will, standing in the crowd in Austin before the rains started, hearing the shouting of a multitude of voices in unison..."We want Florida, we want Florida..."
20 posted on 05/13/2004 5:50:17 PM PDT by philman_36
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