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Esteemed journalist lectures on ethics (L.A. TIMES EDITOR WARNS: Rise of 'Pseudo-Journalism')
Oregon Daily Emerald ^
| 5/09/04
| Ayisha Yahya
Posted on 05/09/2004 9:00:58 AM PDT by Vision
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To: Vision
What a load of crap. I'm surprise he didn't go after Drudge. What he is so upset about is competition.
It like he's saying, "I'm right, high, and almighty. Those riff-raff there. Pay no attention. They're dangerous, subversive, bad people."
Comment #22 Removed by Moderator
To: Vision
The word integrity is applied to this idiot several times. I've heard him on talk radio, and he seems intelligent enough, but he's in serious denial. He edits at the slimeball LAT, which sinks his credibility outright, and has the balls to point the finger? LOL.
If Carroll had any integrity at all he would QUIT the horrible Times.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:27:06 AM PDT
by
moodyskeptic
(weekend warrior in the culture war)
To: Vision
John S Carroll you're so full of sh*t you should be declared a WMD.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:28:47 AM PDT
by
listenhillary
(The media and DNC have joined the terrorists and declared war on the USA.)
To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh; Vision
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:29:18 AM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: Maigrey
You are right!
They are very nervous about text messaging and the new cell phones with cameras, etc.
See the story linked at post #25.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:34:40 AM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: listenhillary
John S Carroll you're so full of sh*t you should be declared a WMD.
Now that's funny
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:38:34 AM PDT
by
Vision
(Always Faithful)
To: RichInOC
"Don't be a piano player..." My first thought was the lamestream in the DNC.
The local Gannett rag cycles editorials from other papers. I usually can pick out the LAT's before I get to the bottom "From the LAT".
Another "Do as I say, not as I do". He must really be ticked off not being able to have torpedoed Schwarzeneggar, or make an appreciable dent in Bush.
What was the LAT's (and Mr. Carroll's) position of sexually abusive predators in the White House a few years back?
Carroll is desparately trying to remain relevant after the new media (aka pseudo-journalists) have given more truthful,
accurate and useful information and news in its short existence than Carroll has over his career.
He's green with envy and deeply saddened at the loss of lamestream power.
To: backhoe
Get an old American history book which shows the political cartoons which ran about Lincoln during the Civil War. They were rabidly anti-Lincoln in some cases (as I recall) showing him as a monkey or ape. But, to the best of my knowledge they never said that they were objective.
The situation that we have now is that newspapers claim they are "objective" when they are just as rabid, in fact some of them froth at the mouth at the mention of President Bush.
Another situation which has evolved during the past 40 to 60 years, is that the journalist (although holding a 4 year college degree) have escaped being educated. It is as if they actually tried not to learn anything. As an example, recall the questions that the correspondents asked General Schwartzkopf at his briefings. They were less than infantile, they showed no grasp of the subject materials. Now, it is people of this caliber which try to present their view point to us in today's newspapers.
To: Maigrey
You know, before Internet, blogging, FR, et al, going to get a arm load of the papers was my idea of heaven. I still have the habit, but less so. Now adays, I often don't even buy a paper, just go online. If I do buy papers, it is often after I have been online and it seems as if there isn't anything in that days paper worth reading. Furthermore, buying different papers is stale since so many of them are just wire service clipping the same articles, with the same boring lefty, and some times right wing columnists. I suspect the papers know that behind us is a young demographic age group that is not now, and will not buy newspapers. I think they are in a death spiral. Losing readers throughout the industry, declining revenues, work staff that is entrenched, stale, featherbedding and hopeing to hang on to the pension, and not attracting new talent. Kind of like the trend with CBS,NBC,ABC new viewers.
Good.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:45:21 AM PDT
by
Leisler
(The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
To: Vision
He said the figure was more than 57 percentage points higher than people who get their news from public news broadcasting. I get my news from a variety of sources including NPR, FreeRepublic and even the Lamestream media. To suggest "public news broadcasting" has a monopoly on the "truth" is odious.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:48:13 AM PDT
by
Wheee The People
(Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla-walla bing bang. Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla-walla bing bang!)
To: Vision
This constitutes an admission of the depth to which far-left bias saturates traditional media outlets.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:49:59 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
To: Wheee The People
The one time I was involved in a major news story - the WTC bombing in 1993 - the major media, especially the NY Times and CNN, lied through their teeth about it for three days straight before they admitted the truth.
Why then should I take seriously their reports of events that I had no personal first-hand information about?
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:51:47 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
To: Vision
In psychological terms this article is called "projection". The evil the liberal media is guilty of they are projecting on the conservative media or their competition.
The only way they can win is to frame the argument that the conservative media is guilty of hate crimes, or somehow paint them as violating ethics of journalism as THEY define it.
The serious part is that lib media is seriously at war with America and our constitutional system. They are seeking to tear down the freedoms, the economy, the opposition party by whatever means necessary to accomplish their ends...control.
Control of the intellectual elites. They know what is best for us. They know how our money is best to be spent. They know what we should drive, where we should go. They presume to know how best to conduct foreign affairs. They presume to know best how to conduct spy work by making all our actions and intents open to our enemies. We are too stupid to know how to live. And if we presume to do so, we should be locked up in prison.
We have allowed the liberals to steal a march on us and dictate the terms of the debate, to define the meaning of the terms. It is high time to assert the voice of logic, reason and conservative values in this country and deal with zero tolerance any attempt to silence that voice.
This is my rant for today. Imperfectly expressed as it is, I still feel deeply that we are in a serious civil war, bloodless perhaps, but only temporarily so.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:57:01 AM PDT
by
el_texicano
(Liberals are the real Mind-Numbed Robots - No Brains, No Guts, No Character...Just hate)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hehehehehe I'm thrilled to see the mainstream media people getting panicked over the emergence of the new technologies, and how they are proliferating the change in how news is disseminated and spread.
As a trained journalist, I'm thrilled to see the old media get smacked around for being so "old news."
The last time I actually looked a traditional newspaper (local rag) almost every article I read was informationally out of date for me - anywhere from 24 to 36 hours old! (Can you tell I'm an info junkie!) This includes sports and national news. It was amazing to see the "Age" of the articles, and the funny thing is that some of the news was "repackaged" to reflect the paper's agenda. Amazing.
Once the print media realizes that they cannot keep up in the changing news cycles - why print an article about an event that happened 20 hours ago when everyone else has covered it - when you don't do the one thing that seperates the print media from the internet and television media - better in-depth reporting. However, most print journalists are not equipted to do this kind of reporting any more. Most are adept at regurgutating a press release from a PR or adverting service.
What will be needed is a change of the business model - where the papers (I don't have any experience in television, so I can't comment) do a different niche of reporting, or they stagnate and die. Most will stagnate and die. Only a few will have the vision to evolve to survive.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:57:26 AM PDT
by
Maigrey
(Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)
To: Vision; Egon; Eb Wilson
When I read the catch-phrase "Pseudo-journalism," I was ready for some real insight, for I think that pseudo-journalism is very nearly all that is out there nowadays. Then I realized it was just one of the King Kongs of pseudo-journalism pounding his chest and pointing at others' attempts at real journalism. Honcho Bongs had a good point: they want a monopoly on the propoganda.
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posted on
05/09/2004 9:58:39 AM PDT
by
RhoTheta
To: Vision
That's why they were so angry about Drudge, who broke the media conspiracy of silence about clinton.
Drudge's crime, in their eyes, was to tell the truth without a license. He failed to respect the privilege of REAL newspaper reporters, which is to lie by license.
The existence of people outside the control of what J. Orlin Grabbe has called a "priestly caste of editors" has ruined the worshipful position reporters used to hold in our society, as purveyors of the truth. Now more and more people know that they lie, and it's folks like Drudge and Fox News who make their failings evident.
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posted on
05/09/2004 10:04:37 AM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: bvw
Good thread for your list of 10 commandments!
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posted on
05/09/2004 10:23:51 AM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: Vision; *CCRM
Posted to *CCRM
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posted on
05/09/2004 10:28:19 AM PDT
by
Copernicus
(A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
To: Leisler
I was in j-school at the eruption of the internet age, and it was interesting to see how the information was being formulated and packaged. The professor I had (who is now an assistant professor at Ole Miss) who insisted on us learning all the old DOS protocols. Alas, now, most of those things are archaic, and .html is the way to go.
What I find now is that the new kids who are going into it - and being taught by the old librals who are entrenched in the j-schools are being met with resistance from these more conservative kids who, tho willing to work their ways up the feeding chain, aren't willing to espouse anything but what they are being taught - namely, regurgitate what's already been written. Those who are bucking the trade are writing for the new media, while the old reporters are "dying" off.
The few that are holding on for dear life are turning off the kids, who know that those who are hanging on by a thread, are espousing their own agenda.
(I would also get a mound of newspapers, but I am also a "compassionate conservative": someone who hates wasting paper, so I read my news online (to keep the paper waste down.) tee hee!
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posted on
05/09/2004 10:32:31 AM PDT
by
Maigrey
(Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)
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