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Specter edges Toomey in tight Senate battle
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 4/28/04 | Carrie Budoff, Thomas Fitzgerald and Patrick Kerkstra

Posted on 04/28/2004 4:43:55 AM PDT by randita

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To: Dane
I do not ever expect to share every single judgement of the people for who I vote.
41 posted on 04/28/2004 8:03:47 AM PDT by Dales
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To: duckln
They should vote Democrat and defeat Spector

You are one admirable Conservative.

42 posted on 04/28/2004 8:05:32 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Dane
I'll help you three out and you all can sign up here at the website of Hoeffel to give the cyber finger to both Toomey and Specter.

If anyone's interested, the URL to contribute to Hoeffel is http://www.hoeffelforsenate.com/involved/contribute.cfm

43 posted on 04/28/2004 8:06:20 AM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: Dales
I do not ever expect to share every single judgement of the people for who I vote.

Well let's see Toomey(the guy you support, I also) says he agrees more with Arlen Specter, yet you wish to see the election of a person who disagrees more with the guy you support(Toomey).

Have no idea, if this is Wednesday morning disappointment for a campaign that you worked for, but the kamikaze political tactics that you are proclaiming this morning, is not very logical, IMO.

45 posted on 04/28/2004 8:14:22 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
I am waiting to see how the other Senate races shape up.

If it is clear that the Republicans will control the Senate regardless of who wins in Pennsylvania, then the race to me is not Specter vs. Hoeffel, but Specter vs some other judiciary committee Republican for the chairmanship. In that case, I will vote against Specter (and Hoeffel would get my vote).

If it is clear we would lose the Senate, then I would vote for Specter.

If it is unclear, I am not sure what I will do.

46 posted on 04/28/2004 8:16:37 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Doug Loss
All you PA voters, how do you plan to vote in November?

I don't know, yet. But, I do know that I won't be voting for a DemoRat.

47 posted on 04/28/2004 8:18:00 AM PDT by Strider
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To: Dane
Well let's see Toomey(the guy you support, I also) says he agrees more with Arlen Specter, yet you wish to see the election of a person who disagrees more with the guy you support(Toomey).
It depends on how the question is asked. If you ask me who I think is a better choice for the Senate between Hoeffel and Specter, no brainer on the latter. But if you ask me who I think is a better choice for the Judiciary Committee chair, Specter or Hatch (or Sessions or Kyl or Grassley) it is also a no brainer in the other direction; I think if Toomey was being truthful he'd also say that he thinks compared to the others Specter is not the right man for the judiciary chair. He won't be asked that, and he won't say it on his own though.

And to me, the Judiciary chair is more important than a single Senate seat. It may not be to you. We all have our own judgments to make.

I am glad to see you say you support Toomey. If me deciding to go against his wishes is objectionable to you, then how did you ever support him in the first place since it went against the wishes of someone else you support (Bush, as do I)?

48 posted on 04/28/2004 8:29:26 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales
I am glad to see you say you support Toomey. If me deciding to go against his wishes is objectionable to you, then how did you ever support him in the first place since it went against the wishes of someone else you support (Bush, as do I)?

It's called a primary and that is what primaries are for. Toomey has stated that he will support Specter in the next and biggest battle, the general election.

49 posted on 04/28/2004 8:36:01 AM PDT by Dane
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To: FrankWild
I pretty much agree with your assessment. I guess it is "the day after" frustration that I'm feeling right now. If it's true that the vast majority of conservatives are too busy to pay attention then we should not be surprised that we lose more battles than we win.
50 posted on 04/28/2004 8:37:32 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Dane
A good point, and one that is definitely in my considerations. I believe that things for particular seats should, in general, only be hashed out in primaries.

But this is not just about a particular seat. It is also about a very important committee chairmanship, and that is one where there is no primary. It is also important enough to me that the general rule goes out the window.

51 posted on 04/28/2004 8:40:03 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales
I can understand your concerns. I share some of them also, but in my big picture, Hoeffel would be a bigger disaster than Specter, and I can also understand your disappointment at the closeness of last nights primary results.

Is my big picture perfect, no. But whose big picture or life is?

52 posted on 04/28/2004 9:19:42 AM PDT by Dane
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To: eeriegeno
[quote]The spread was about 16000 votes in this victory for Specter. What I would like to see is the statistics for 'party switches' that allowed democrats to vote in the republican primary.[/quote]

I, and people I know have done this in reverse by registering Democrat and skewing their numbers. Not something we can complain about when we do it as well.
53 posted on 04/28/2004 9:25:52 AM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: Dane
Hoeffel would be a bigger disaster than Specter
And this is the crux of why you and I are planning on voting in different directions.

I think we agree that Hoeffel will be a much worse Senator than Specter will.

I also think we agree that Specter will be a disaster as Judiciary committee chairman.

You see the damage from the first as being more than the damage from the second, and as such will vote Specter. I see the latter as more damaging than the former, and unless we are looking at Chairman Leahy, will vote against Specter.

At least that's my thinking for now. We'll see how the campaign plays out.

54 posted on 04/28/2004 9:41:01 AM PDT by Dales
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To: FrankWild
There is a difference. Residing in Maryland, I am not forced to vote for the wretched pair, Specter or Hoeffel

Correct, you have the dems Sarbanes and Mikulski who usually win with 70% of the vote.

You have a pretty good Governor in Ehrlich, although I am surmising he is not good enough to you given your, IMO, purist rhetoric.

56 posted on 04/28/2004 9:58:59 AM PDT by Dane
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To: randita
Think those Toomey voters are gonna line up for Arlen Schincter after this betrayal by Bush and Santorum?
Think again!
57 posted on 04/28/2004 10:05:48 AM PDT by paleocon patriarch
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To: paleocon patriarch
This Toomey voter will DEFINITELY vote for Specter. No way am I going to be a part of having one of PA's Senators be a RAT. Or risk having the RATS take over the Senate again. Specter's not my ideal, but at least there's an (R) after his name. That means a lot when control of the Senate (judicial appointees, etc.) is at stake.
59 posted on 04/29/2004 6:22:24 AM PDT by randita
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To: randita
Today's News
After Win, Specter Looks To Fall Election (already distancing himself from Bush)

Well, most real conservatives don't play the strategy, over ideology game. Toomey supporters will sit the fall out rather than support Sphincter. Better a Rat rejecting President Bush's judicial appointments than a Republican Judas like Specter.

60 posted on 04/29/2004 11:40:40 AM PDT by paleocon patriarch
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