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U.S. Bishops' Task Force to Discuss Pro-Abortion Politicians In Wake of Card. Arinze's Comments
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| 4/26/04
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Posted on 04/26/2004 4:30:38 PM PDT by Polycarp IV
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
It's gravely serious. John Kerry, an initaited member of the political secret society at Yale is promoting pro-culture-of-death social engineering.Well, if this political secret society commands such fealty, how come George W. Bush is the single most pro-life President in the history of this country?
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posted on
04/26/2004 8:18:05 PM PDT
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sinkspur
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Your position is not the authentic Catholic teaching on this topic. What is my "position"? I have presented no "position," just musings and observations. I'm not a Mason, and don't even know much about them.
As for Skull and Bones, it's a college club Howling. A super-fraternity, for rich kids who need another excuse to drink.
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posted on
04/26/2004 8:20:16 PM PDT
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sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
"But, if a particular bishop thinks it is, or thinks that politicians supporting capital punishment (which has been pretty well condemned by JP II) "
Cute sinkspur but this is not on the radar screen and not likely to happen. It would not be theologicaly sound anyway because capital punishment is in the realm of prudential judgement abortion is not.
To: sinkspur
We'll agree to disagree on this. I'm sure there are plenty of golfers, gocart racers, and hospital funders who claim to know nothing of the ideological, political, or anti-Catholic obsessions of the hard core.
To: DestroytheDemocrats
Cute sinkspur but this is not on the radar screen and not likely to happen. It would not be theologicaly sound anyway because capital punishment is in the realm of prudential judgement abortion is not. You're naive if you don't think there is a wide consensus among the Catholic bishops of the world that capital punishment is morally wrong.
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posted on
04/26/2004 8:22:22 PM PDT
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sinkspur
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To: lnbjohnson
"Jesus made a point of welcoming sinners; Judas was invited to the Last Supper. Using communion as a weapon is about as unchristian as you can get."
Sure he did. But the thing is being pro-choice is a mortal sin. You can't go to Communion with a mortal sin on your soul. Small sins, yes you can go. In fact Communion forgives venial sins. But not mortal sins. This is an ancient precept.
To: Polycarp IV
"That is the bottom line...they WANT Kerry to win, so they WILL NOT refuse him the Eucharist."
I don't agree with this. They don't want Kerry to win but they will give him and all politicians of his ilk a severe tongue lashing and then they will give them the Eucharist. Really, when you think about it, it is whoever the bishop of DC is that will make the most splash about this because if Kerry wins he will probably be going to church somewhere in DC.
It will be a DISASTER if Kerry wins and for the next four to eight years we have a pro-choice, Catholic, Communion receiving president. It will be a total and complete VICTORY for Planned Parenthood and abortion supporters all over the world. It does not get much worse for the Church than this. If the bishops give in the Church will be even MORE irrelevant than ever because the perception will be that the Chruch has been defeated.
To: DestroytheDemocrats; narses
It will be a DISASTER if Kerry wins and for the next four to eight years we have a pro-choice, Catholic, Communion receiving president. It will be a total and complete VICTORY for Planned Parenthood and abortion supporters all over the world. It does not get much worse for the Church than this. If the bishops give in the Church will be even MORE irrelevant than ever because the perception will be that the Chruch has been defeated. 127 posted on 04/26/2004 8:36:05 PM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
Yes, exactly. I agree with this. It will damage the church and damage American society. Just like with Clinton but maybe even worse.
To: DestroytheDemocrats
But the greatest damage will be in giving aid and comfort to other pro-abortion Catholics. It creates the impression it is OK for a Catholic to support abortion on demand, partial-birth abortion, research on deliberately aborted cells, etc. It's a total crusade for the culture of death.
To: sinkspur
Three weeks later, Killea won by 2,364 votes (51%). In California, a pro-choice politician wins by 2%, and that proves something?
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:04:44 PM PDT
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gogeo
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To: sinkspur
"You're naive if you don't think there is a wide consensus among the Catholic bishops of the world that capital punishment is morally wrong."
Oh I know they do. But it is just not on the radar screen and they could not get away with it.
To: gogeo
In California, a pro-choice politician wins by 2%, and that proves something? It proves that Maher's letter did nothing.
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:08:55 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
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To: DestroytheDemocrats
But it is just not on the radar screen and they could not get away with it. Of course they could. And Rome would back them up on it.
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:09:52 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
It proves that Maher's letter did nothing. Politically.
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:14:15 PM PDT
by
gogeo
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To: gogeo
Politically. It did nothing, period, since no other bishop followed him with similar action.
Bishops have no courage. They act only when prodded, or when the cops are in the lobby.
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:16:28 PM PDT
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sinkspur
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
"But the greatest damage will be in giving aid and comfort to other pro-abortion Catholics."
True but even greater is the message it will send to Catholic kids, teens and young college students. I mean if the President of the United States of America, (who in the world is more famous?) is Catholic and pro-abortion and goes to Mass every Sunday and everything is all la-de-da. It will just become a given that being pro-choice and Catholic is as natural as breathing. No amount of angst, preaching or condemnation by the bishops or anyone else can overcome that. I beleive that Kerry has probably thought about this and relishs the idea of the amount of headway he can make for the pro-choice cause AS a Catholic. The witches at NARAL and Catholics for a Free Choice are going to be in hog-heaven if he is elected. It will be a victory for evil IMHO.
We could hope that the bishops will really step up to the plate after the election, if Kerry wins. Then they won't be accused of trying to tamper with the election.
Nah...I doubt it.
To: DestroytheDemocrats; narses
I mean if the President of the United States of America, (who in the world is more famous?) is Catholic and pro-abortion and goes to Mass every Sunday and everything is all la-de-da. It will just become a given that being pro-choice and Catholic is as natural as breathing. Yes. Kerry is also very pompous, arrogant, condescending, and self-righteous, in the tradition of New England Puritanism and Secret Societies. Those who will be seduced to follow him will be led into lives of horrid sin. The bishops failure to correct this will damage many souls and injure millions of bodies.
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:32:33 PM PDT
by
Mr. Silverback
(Dwight Eisenhower: "I will go to Korea." John F. Kerry: "I will go to Paris.")
To: DestroytheDemocrats
"Do we really want some bishop in Italy or France or Germany tell our officials how to vote?" No I don't. But then they are not telling them how to vote, they are denying Communion to pro-abort politicians. The politicians of course can still vote however they want. Bingo. Most of those on this thread seem to be missing the point that the bishops won't be telling anyone how to vote; they will be catechising Catholics in the Faith of the Roman Catholic Church.
Unfortunately, for many, politics is more important than God.
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posted on
04/26/2004 9:39:22 PM PDT
by
TradicalRC
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Sinkspur says:
Bishops have no courage. They act only when prodded, or when the cops are in the lobby.
First, Rome is prodding them. Second, your claim is false to fact, a number (too few) have taken action. Third, it is as uncharitable as it can be, especially in light of it's obvious falsehood.
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04/26/2004 9:45:39 PM PDT
by
narses
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