What Kellen Winslow II SHOULD have said about Pat Tillman

San Francisco Examiner ^ | April 26, 2004 | Bob Frantz

[L.N. Smithee]

What do Kellen Winslow and Eli Manning have to do with Pat Tillman? I mean, they both play the same game Tillman played (before he bravely went to war for his country), but I don't see any other connection.

Maybe this will let you see what I mean.

[LibWhacker]

But Vietnam was a special case, imo, one that has never occurred in our history before or since. I do think the way to approach it is the way it's been done by almost all armies down through history: You draft people, you put them on the front line, and you tell them, "fight or die."

One thing we have to remember even about Vietnam is that our draftees performed well, and the thing that lost the war was not our draftees, or anything else about our military, but democrat politicians and the squawking leftists they pandered to. IMHO.

[steve8714]

Senior is not necessarily a Communist..he is however bitter about his youth, and perhaps his college days at Mizzou. Notably, when inducted into the Hall of Fame he waxed eloquent about Eddie Robinson and barely mentioned Mizzou.
Weird.

[princess leah]

If these football guys really want to "step up" perhaps they'll put their money where their mouth is - help out our soldiers - send care packages, jerseys, stuff that our men and women in the military, on their pay, cannot afford. Offer to be a dad to a military kid while their dad overseas, etc. There is so much that can help - talk is cheap! Perhaps players will start sponsoring units you know like - 101st Airborne gets special overjackets signed by Dallas cowboy players (just an example?)

[L.N. Smithee]

That kid has a serious problem. I mean he's talented and all, but he's in for a rude awakening. I hope that his knee isn't too messed up when a lineman rolls up on it. 'Cause you know it's in the cards...

In his first couple of seasons, Terrell Owens was soft-spoken, articulate, and respectful. Winslow II has the T.O. attitude of recent seasons already. Don't be too surprised if he becomes the next Keyshawn Johnson.

[clamper1797]

Apparently Pat Tillman attended LeLand high school in San Jose Calif. He was coached and befriended by an old New York Giants Linebacker .. Danny Lloyd #54 during the seventies. Danny had to quit pro football when he contracted the Giants cancer (Hodgkins Disease) which took the life of Giants player Tuggle. Just a little history

[dmz]

Eli Manning is just another whiny baby. I'll not leave him alone. I'll root against him from now until the day he retires. He's never taken a snap at the NFL level, but he's already too good for one of the teams?

It took me damn near until John Elway retired before I didn't want to see him get the Joe Theisman treatment.

Seems that Eli is the opposite kind of person from the one you celebrate in your FR handle, doncha think? Don't think the Gipper would act that way, do you? No selflessness in Eli at all. He's all about himself.

Rant off.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Eli is trying to protect his career and his long term health. I do not see any problem with that. I do see a problem when someone who would probably take into account similar situations in his search for a job criticizes him for doing the exact same thing anyone in a similar situation would do.

[mrmargaritaville]

I would like to see the NFL have a Pat Tillman commemerative jersey issued-an authenentic NFL jersey-not a cheap imitation, with Tillman's name and number. The NFL should donate their licensing proceeds from all of those jerseys to a fund set up for children who lose a parent in Afghanistan or Iraq. In addition the manufacturer of the jersey would commit the profits from the jersey to the fund.
This type of jersey typically sells for $250-300 dollars retail. It would be a nice gesture. And while I could not afford one, I would go out and buy one.

[mrmargaritaville]

I heard that idiot Jim Brown commenting on ESPN sports radio Friday night about Tillman's senseless death-in "Iraq", hey Jim when your IQ is half of your shoe size give us a call. That idiot opens his pie hole and has no idea what he is talking about.

[cherry]

this is a hypothetical right?...winslow didn't actually say those things did he?

[L.N. Smithee]

I heard that idiot Jim Brown commenting on ESPN sports radio Friday night about Tillman's senseless death-in "Iraq", hey Jim when your IQ is half of your shoe size give us a call. That idiot opens his pie hole and has no idea what he is talking about.

I am beginning to think that the only difference between Jim Brown and O.J. Simpson is that O.J. succeeded in killing his wife.

[L.N. Smithee]

No.

[Leavemealone]

His father is a flaming racist. He didn't let his son play
for the University of Washington because they didn't have enough black coaches.

I wonder what would have happened to a white ex-player/broadcaster who did the same thing to a university who had to many black coaches??

I can't believe the guy still has a job.

[satchmodog9]

Maybe if these guys spent a few years in the Army they would learn to respect others and their careers. They would get off their lazy asses and not take their fame, fortune and youth for granted. They would honor the memory of those who sacrificed their bodies by being underpaid property for all those years so they can now be million dollar babies. Or maybe they would know the sacrifice paid by others so they can be free to be jerkoffs. Maybe the Koreans have it right. Maybe we should all have two years of military service before we are 25. I have never known anyone who has not benefited from service. I'm sure there are some out there(Kerry). I do not understand why the pro sport teams let these jerkoffs run their mouths like they do. I do not tolerate grown men and women acting like children and I do not know why the big leagues stand for it. I love sports and I understand that there is a special type of person born to be an athlete. I know they are the best at what they do and I know they have the attitude they do because of what they are and for what it takes to do what they do. Just tone it down a bit and don't act like a five year old. People are dying out there every day. There are homeless and starving, abused and neglected. Some of them come from this. Don't act like it is your birthright, one day your knee will give out and your accountant will steal your money and wife. It is life living under a bridge for you when there is no posse to pay to be your friends. Grow up and act like a man.

[lepton]

I do think the way to approach it is the way it's been done by almost all armies down through history: You draft people, you put them on the front line, and you tell them, "fight or die."

And a company of professional soldiers trained the way our army has been trained will eat a battallion of draftees - at least ones that need to be told "fight or die".

You're right in that Vietnam was unique - especially after it became unpopular back here - but in many ways the populace has grown even softer, making the problems even more severe.

[Rockpile]

Mr. Bob Frantz of the San Francisco Examiner. Yet another Sports Whiner cashing in on the death of Pat Tillman.

Surely the Scribblers and Babblers using Tillman's demise for self-righteous articles and on air pieces are not taking money for them? Are they?

[norton]

This article is what these pampered children SHOULD HAVE SAID...not what came from their mouths.

Now, Quick,
who can name the NFL player who walked away from that career, did his time in Vietnam, and returned to earn 3 or 4 superbowl (whatever that's worth) rings?

[L.N. Smithee]

Mr. Bob Frantz of the San Francisco Examiner. Yet another Sports Whiner cashing in on the death of Pat Tillman. Surely the Scribblers and Babblers using Tillman's demise for self-righteous articles and on air pieces are not taking money for them? Are they?

What are you talking about? Commentators are paid to comment. What's your problem, REALLY?

[L.N. Smithee]

Rocky Bleier. Gimme a hard one.