Kerry campaign provides military records

Definately the background records need to be released not just the citations. The Silver Star one looks very impressive. Other then that I got no comment, I wasnt even born at the time.

Saw the interview yesterday with O'Neil on CNN, he did great job concentrating on the important points. Lies about war criminals, betrayal by Kerry of the people who were POW at the time. That book with a caricature of the marines on Iwo Jima. That was just disgusting, Kerry can say whatever about Vietnam(atleast he can claim he was there) but WW2?? Book with that picture is same as if a Russian published a book with cover making fun of Stalingrad. Poor sob would get ripped to pieces at the first public rally he tried to speak at.

441 posted on 04/21/2004 11:46:02 AM PDT by dimk

If so, do they award purple hearts for bruises

What does it matter? if he was wounded in the same attack? This wasn't a Frank Burns "shell fragment in eye" Purple Heart, it was for shrapnel in his tuchis, and the medical record also notes contusions, as medical records commonly do.

In any case, quibbling over Kerry's Purple Hearts is 100% counter-productive and plays into his hands unless there is "gotcha" evidence that is not only indisputable, but a bombshell revelation, or unless we can show a pattern of consciously using Vietnam service as a stepping stone to power. It's like quibbling over Benedict Arnold's combat record instead of criticizing his treason. Whether Kerry was a "hero" in Nam is questionable. Whether he was a treasonous scumbag when he came back, and a threat to our troops safety ever since, is 100% indisputable. Use the big guns--Hit Benedict Arnold for treason, not for exagerrating his wounds at Montreal and Saratoga.

442 posted on 04/21/2004 12:06:30 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dave Chapelle for UN Ambassador!)

To: TASMANIANRED

Looks like they took out a splinter.

My thoughts exactly. Sounds like the schrapnel was removed using a powerful magnifying glass and some eyebrow tweezers. And apparently this is the injury that he went over his C.O. to get approved for a P.H. To me it sounds like a lot of B.S.

443 posted on 04/21/2004 12:11:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Let your light so shine before men....)

444 posted on 04/21/2004 12:20:15 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dave Chapelle for UN Ambassador!)

Basically he recieved the Frank Burns Purple Heart award? LOL! Kerry was out on patrol boats, too far from the officer's mess to get a shell fragment in his eye!

Hey...Do you think his actual full name might be John Frankburns Kerry?

445 posted on 04/21/2004 12:25:21 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dave Chapelle for UN Ambassador!)

wrapped up like a d... (never could figure out this lyric) in the middle of the night'

It's "revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night". Deuce of course being a deuce coupe.

446 posted on 04/21/2004 12:31:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

To: A Citizen Reporter

" He said it would not be made available to the public because Kerry considers it a private medical record." That's a little odd.

Not necessarily. Many military military records contain psychological evaluations. Mine does; one of my sergeants noticed some symptoms similar to those experienced by his ADD son and recommended I go get checked out. The base shrink did a full psych workup on me (standard procedure), and although I have no mental problems and nothing to hide, I would release those records over my dead body. The inside of my head is private. Of course, I don't plan on running for President, but if Kerry is telling the truth (unlikely, I know) I can empathize.

447 posted on 04/21/2004 12:40:01 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dave Chapelle for UN Ambassador!)

LOL, My two grandsons receive more extensive medical attention every time I take them to the playground

Bacitracin! ROTFL! I require as much medical attention after a day of gardening and home improvement projects.

In fact, I've probably spilled more blood around my house in a weekend than Kerry spilled the entire time he was in Vietnam.

448 posted on 04/21/2004 12:40:03 PM PDT by Spotsy (Bush-Cheney '04)

I can't and won't fault Kerry for his Vietnam service as he did go and was exposed..... However I wonder if his deferments were about to run out/expire and none others were available to him.

It's a matter of public record: Kerry first asked for deferment to study in Paris (no joke). He was refused, so he enlisted.

449 posted on 04/21/2004 12:43:02 PM PDT by Spotsy (Bush-Cheney '04)

To: Wild Irish Rogue

Kerry gets shrapnel in his ass-what was he doing? Diving for cover ?

I'm not here to defend John Frankburns Kerry, but have you seen Band of Brothers? I remember at least 3 of the guys in Easy Company of the 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne getting wounded in the hind end while fully engaged in opening a can of smite on the Nazis. There are a lot of ways a patrol boat skipper could catch some shrapnel in the tuchis while doing his job honorably; the skipper is not always facing the enemy directly, and even if he were at the very tip of the bow, shrapnel from a hit behind him could hit him in his stern. :-)

No one can justify a PH for a bruise, not even Kerry.

He didn't get a PH for a bruise, he got it for taking shrapnel.

450 posted on 04/21/2004 12:52:00 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dave Chapelle for UN Ambassador!)

"It's "revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night". Deuce of course being a deuce coupe."

Thanks - it even makes sense - what a concept, lyrics that mean something you can relate too. Leave it to 'The Boss'.

451 posted on 04/21/2004 12:59:39 PM PDT by familyofman

I suspect Kerry may be the only person to receive a Purple Heart for action at Cam Ranh Bay. I was there the day he received his injury.

DISH! Please!

452 posted on 04/21/2004 1:05:55 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dave Chapelle for UN Ambassador!)

To: Mr. Silverback

Sorry, I don't follow you.

453 posted on 04/21/2004 1:16:02 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)

THREE Purple Hearts for this?!
My uncle, RIP, is rolling in his grave.

Yeah, my dad is probably spinning too.

454 posted on 04/21/2004 1:26:37 PM PDT by Taffini (Simone is French. She hates everything.)

1. Why isn't the title: "Kerry releases some, selective medical records"?

Where are the rest of your service records, Mr. Kerry? Why aren't you releasing all of your records? President Bush released all of his service records, why not you, Mr. Kerry, especially since you are running so strongly on your Vietnam War record?

2. "Meehan said the campaign would allow a reporter to see the record at the campaign's headquarters, but not take a copy. He said it would not be made available to the public because Kerry considers it a private medical record."

When you are running for President, the public has the right to know. Why are people only allowed to view them under supervision? What are you afraid of, Mr. Kerry?

How can we trust you, if you are not open with the American people?

455 posted on 04/21/2004 1:28:18 PM PDT by QQQQQ

"Ummmm .. where are the Medical Records???"

Where oh where??? This is synopsis.

456 posted on 04/21/2004 1:55:49 PM PDT by cricket (Terrorists are weapons of mass destruction. . .)

To: A Citizen Reporter

" He said it would not be made available to the public because Kerry considers it a private medical record."

More than a little odd. Just a typical bait and switch on behalf of another Liberal liar.

Kerry and his spokesman (?) have repeated, 'all records will be available'. Right; nothing changed here; they are still hiding the truth.

457 posted on 04/21/2004 2:03:03 PM PDT by cricket (Terrorists are weapons of mass destruction. . .)

"Shrapnel in left arm above elbow. Shrapnel removed and appl bacitracin dressing. Ret to Duty," it said. The note is followed by a signature that appears to say "JCCarreon" and some illegible letters that Meehan said probably designate the medical official's rank."

Okay; this is an insult. It also shows jeffenkerry's as highly motivated to 'collect' Medals of Honor. Shows as well, this man, knows no shame.

458 posted on 04/21/2004 2:09:54 PM PDT by cricket (Terrorists are weapons of mass destruction. . .)

To: Mr. Silverback

I agree with you. In a couple of books I've read concenring helicopter pilots in Vietnam, both authors stated that medals were given out to all kinds of folks for questionable reasons. Chuck Yeager even mentions it in his autobiography.

With that said, this is not going to sink Kerry. His stand on the issues will.

459 posted on 04/21/2004 2:23:22 PM PDT by Fury

To: Mr. Silverback

"He didn't get a PH for a bruise, he got it for taking shrapnel."

"contusions on his right forearm"- is a bruise.
Someone ( Kerry ? ) listed the contusion as an injury in his PH paperwork.

" Kerry gets shrapnel in his ass-what was he doing? Diving for cover ? "

The buttock shrapnel was Kerry's 3rd and out card. According to David Brinkley-Kerry was the only one injured on his boat-in fact, no else was injured during all 3 of Kerry's engagements where he put in for the PH.

This was posted to me by mohresearcher:

"Just finished reading Douglas Brinkley's book "Tour of Duty"; Senator Kerry supplied most of the material about Kerry's war experiences in Vietnam, and Brinkley adds snippets from other published sources (mostly from a leftist perspective, but excluding extensive coverage by the Communist Party newspaper Daily World, which glorified Kerry's antiwar activities in 1971.) Anyway, I was particularly interested in knowing the details of the three Purple Hearts that Kerry was awarded for supposed combat wounds."

"Most of the men that I knew personally or read about were dead on their third Purple Heart wound in Vietnam. I am an Army veteran, and most combat units had strict rules prohibiting Rambo wannabes from claiming the Purple Heart for scratches from shrapnel that could be covered with a Band-Aid."

"Brinkley writes about Kerry's FIRST Purple Heart on pp. 146-148. The so-called action happened on December 2, 1968 in the DaNang area. Brinkley's description is glaringly vague, and BRINKLEY DOES NOT REPORT ANY OTHER CREWMEN BEING INJURED ( Caps WIR) Kerry didn't need any hospitalization for that injury, which most Army and Marine combat veterans would find suspicious. Wags might call this event Kerry's personal Gulf of Tonkin incident"

"The SECOND Purple Heart wound was on February 20, 1969 in the Delta, covered on pp. 280-288. There was enemy action recorded in detail, and Kerry had another minor shrapnel wound, for which he did not need hospitalization.AGAIN,HE WAS THE ONLY ONE INJURED ( Caps WIR). Why is he the only one very slightly wounded? "

"The THIRD Purple Heart was on March 13, 1969, also in the Delta. It was a legitimate combat wound from my reading of Brinkley's description of the action on pp. 304-317. If I read this section carefully,KERRY WAS THE ONLY ONE INJURED ON HIS SWIFTBOAT ( Caps WIR ) . Brinkley records others injured on other boats in the engagement"

"So, inquiring minds must be pondering: which came first, Kerry reading Navy regs to learn that if you had three awards of the Purple Heart you could get out of Vietnam pronto; or, a deliberate strategy on his part to get his return ticket punched a third time so he could abandon his crewmates and bug out after only four months in a combat zone? "

Kerry is the only one injured, in all 3 of his Purple Heart engagements. I wonder what odds the touts in Las Vegas would give this ?

As for Band of Brothers- it's my favorite book and series.

My favorite quote by Major Richard Winters :

"I wasn't a hero, I served in the company of heroes."

460 posted on 04/21/2004 2:38:10 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue

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