Communism in the Catholic Church

Eddie Arent ^ | April 19, 2004 | Eddie Arent

[PRSOrlando]

What is a Roman Catholic like me suppose to do? I'd go there and challenge them tommorow, but I have to work.

I don't want to turn away from Christ, but the events happening here in the Orlando Diocese make me sick.

Any advice is appreciative or activism is appreciative...

www.orlandodiocese.org is the Orlando Diocese website www.stmargaretmary.org is St. M.M.'s website

[11th Commandment]

I would seek out conservative Roman Catholic organizations on the web. There is a lot, but you are looking for politically conservative sites. Many "conservative" organization are Marian or pre Vatican.

[Integrityrocks]

Things are not always what they seem. The Catholic Church has ALWAYS been an advocate for the things listed in that billing. That is what the well known Catholic organization, THE CATHOLIC WORKER is all about. Taking care of the poor IS the call of the churches. The Catholic church is the backbone of the US in terms of healthcare, education and childcare - always has been. Discouraging corporate profit in itself is not a Catholic goal. Profit at the expense of human dignity and human rights is. Those statements of John Paul are accurate. He is not advocating a communist state, where free enterprise and free speech and freedom of the press and the right to bear arms and all the other things listed in our constitution and bill of rights are abolished. He is advocating the lifting up of the underpriviledged, poor, unborn and those unable to speak for themselves. I'd go to the meeting and keep them in check on the American Bill of Rights and the US Constitution, while embracing all the GOOD things they are about.

[JBR34]

Ever since this new Bishop came to Orlando the change to the diocese's agenda is obvious. Undocumented Migrants (Illegal Aliens) should have should have all the rights as US citizens, Farmworkers should have a "living wage", workers should get a "fair share". There's a new sheriff in town and those are the rules.

I hold the Catholic Church somewhat responsible for what is going on in California. For years the Church has been saying we have the moral right (obligation) to ignore following laws that are contrary to people freedoms (illegal Aliens). Fast forward 10 years...Now laws are only to followed if they are not contrary to your freedom. Sure enough, the same argument is being used for gay marriage. "It's a freedom issue".

JBR

[Steve_Seattle]

You make a valid point that the quote from JPII is not controversial in Catholic circles, but whether this group is acting in accordance with Catholic social doctrine is another matter entirely. The JPII quote may be a smokescreen to give credibility to an agenda that is far left rather than merely pro-poor or pro-workers' rights. I say "may" because I don't know specifically what this group is up to, but many of the Catholic "peace and justice" groups are in fact far left and pro-communist.

[alpha-8-25-02]

you are not walking away from Christ by not participating in something that may be against His will.
remember Christ is the only mediator between You and the Father.just because it may be church sponsered search the scripture for your answer.
SOLA SCRIPTURA

[Digger]

How about moving some of these illegals in with the Bishop - say 10 or 12 of them. Maybe build a 1200 sq ft house 15 feet from his mansion & put 35 illegals in it. Come on, Bishop do the walk instead of the talk.

[Aliska]

THE CATHOLIC WORKER

Those people caused a lot of trouble in my neck of the woods back in the 60's and 70's by going on to guarded government installations and throwing their blood on the main buildings. Then they laid down on a bridge in front of a tank which was being moved to the local moose lodge. The tank was forced to retreat. Haven't heard much about them lately.

[kstewskis]

ping!

[The Great RJ]

Where have you been? The Catholic Church has been advocating radical socialism since at least the 1960's or before. Have you ever heard of "liberation theology"?? The current Pope has been openly "suspicious" of capitalism and advocating a socialist concept of national governance for decades.

[PRSOrlando]

I'm only 18 years old...

While reading history, it was great to see the Holy Father play a great role in toppling communism in his (and my family's) homeland of Poland. However, His recent comments about Iraq and about Israel killing terrorists worry me.

I haven't attend Mass in 2 weeks. Ever since these words were spoken on Easter SATURDAY by my local Bishop and priest (sung in Polish, translated here in English.
"Raise your voices, all creation,
ring the bells of celebration!
Jesus the Lord has arisen.
Alleluia, Alleluia." Mind you, Christ rose on the 3rd day and this Hymn was sung on the day after good Friday and from what I was told here and other places was that such Hymns were only to be sung on the third day - starting the Saturday Night Vigil. The Bishop's reply to my challenge was since the Hymn was sung at a non-liturigical service, then the Hymn was appropriate.

I've been watching EWTN the past few weeks and they seem to preach a lot of things I agree with; pro-life, anti birth control, etc. But it's not the same as attending service...

[GOP_1900AD]

Where I work, in the SF area, someone posted a photocopied article from the "Valley Catholic" newspaper. It was about a priest who is leading a movement to buy only "fair trade" coffee. Now I have certainly been critical of some of the border busting free tradism in vogue today right here on this forum. But reading that article, it was clear to me that that priest had been in contact with Communists in Latin America. Crystal clear.....

[A.A. Cunningham]

The current Pope has been openly "suspicious" of capitalism and advocating a socialist concept of national governance for decades.

I'll bet that you're a big fan of John Cornwell, aren't you Einstein.

The fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decisions disappears. May 1, 1991 - Pope John Paul II from Centesimus Annus

[NJ_gent]

"What is a Roman Catholic like me suppose to do?"

Well, you could always do what I did: recognize the Catholic Church in its current incarnation as an organization corrupted by 1500 years of poor decisions, bad influences, greed, and self-righteousness. I was born and raised Catholic, but I figured out for myself in high school that these people are nuts. I'm the first to say that there are a good many true believers at the lower levels of the clergy of the Catholic Church, but I've seen first-hand that they don't get very far up the food chain. With the sex scandals and subsequent cover-ups, I'd even go so far as to lable the Church a tax-dodging criminal enterprise. Keep in mind this has nothing to do with my faith, how I live my life, or what I believe. The tough part is seperating the Church from your faith. Once you're able to view the Church as a human organization, it's much easier to see what it's really all about. I can tell you from 8 years of Catholic schooling that it's most definitely all about the money. ;) Public college let me go to classes for a semester and a half, essentially free of charge, while I got my financial aid in order. If mom missed a "volunteer" bingo night at my catholic middle school? They'd threaten to keep me out of classes until she paid the $45 penalty, or set a date for a "volunteer" bingo makeup. It got even better in (Catholic) high school.

"I don't want to turn away from Christ, but the events happening here in the Orlando Diocese make me sick."

You think that's bad? Head priest at my local Catholic Church cleaned out something along the lines of $300,000 over a period of 10 years. The funniest part was when there was a writeup in that church's newspaper in which someone commented that they came down harder and faster on him for that than they've done with the child molestor priests. In the end, if the Church isn't "doing it" for you any longer, perhaps it's time to explore your faith on your own. You certainly don't need a building to pray in, any more than Jesus did. In my humble opinion, you can say 'to hell' with the Catholic Church, and still follow Christ in your daily life.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Write your pastor and cc the Bishop and tell him that you will be withholding all contributions to the collection and instead will be sending that money to Mother Angelica at EWTN, include a copy of your check, and will continue to do so as long as the diocese aligns itself with, embraces or tolerates commie outfits like Pax Christi, et al. Continue to attend Mass and partake in the Sacraments. Seek out an indult Mass in Orlando.

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

[hunter112]

I remember when I was Catholic back in 1984, there were a lot of anti-war types even in a semi-rural area of WA state. They hated President Reagan's military build-up, and were constantly saying that we were all moving towards nuclear war. I lost contact with them by the time the Berlin Wall fell, but I wonder if they ever changed their minds.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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CLINTON Impeachment Defense Attorney BENNET and his former White House Chief of Staff now sit on the Catholic Bishops' National Review Board on Priestly SeXual Abuse.

Say What..?

The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

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[sinkspur]

Ever since this new Bishop came to Orlando the change to the diocese's agenda is obvious. Undocumented Migrants (Illegal Aliens) should have should have all the rights as US citizens, Farmworkers should have a "living wage", workers should get a "fair share". There's a new sheriff in town and those are the rules.

Those positions are not unique to your bishop; they've been supported by the entire US Conference of Bishops for many years.

[Outraged]

What is a Roman Catholic like me suppose to do?

This is no secret. Communism and the catholic church have deep connections, like 2 weeds operating in tandem to destroy the world and religion.

Either change the Church or get out now. I say your relationship with Jesus is more important than the legalism and false ritual that is catholocism...They worship Mary, have a hierarchy of people who are better than you, who they claim can forgive you of your sins...and they seem to find a common ground with communists.