Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection

World Net Daily ^ | 4-16-04 | Jack Cashill

[XBob]

38 - "Somebody made money selling short prior to 911, and that bunch has never been identified"

good point again. I had forgotten about that.

Maybe some good may come out of this circus after all.

[XBob]

yes - thanks for the post. this is a very powerful article.

[Vigilantcitizen]

THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION,
The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
By David Hoffman,Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997

Time: Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:32:40 -0700
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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: SLS: OKC -- Grand Jury Tampering (fwd)

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>
>THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION
> The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
>
>By David Hoffman
>
>
>The petition by Oklahoma State Rep. Charles Key to impanel a
>grand jury to hear evidence of government involvement in the
>Oklahoma City bombing was originally quashed by District Judge
>Daniel Owens on the premise that it would be "reinventing the
>wheel." The Oklahoma Supreme Court disagreed earlier this year,
>and overturned both Owens' ruling and District Attorney Robert
>Macy's subsequent appeal.
>
>When I first interviewed Bob Macy about the Oklahoma City bombing
>in 1995, he was collecting information on the case by reading
>Morris Dees' Gathering Storm, and The Turner Diaries. This was a
>year and-a-half after the bombing--a bombing that occurred right
>outside his window. He didn't know about John Doe 2. He had no
>idea about the Middle Eastern connection. He had done absolutely
>no investigation.
>
>"I have not seen these things you are talking about right now,"
>Macy told me. "When I see the evidence... I haven't been
>presented with the evidence." Macy subsequently claimed he wanted
>me to work with his so- called "task force" that was
>"investigating" the bombing, then never called me back. It wasn't
>until the county grand jury was finally impaneled in June of this
>year that Macy's Chief Assistant DA, Pat Morgan, sent an
>investigator to meet with me. After turning over [almost] all the
>information I had gathered on the bombing, I never heard another
>word.
>
>Interestingly, just two months before the hearing, Macy claimed
>to this author that he intended to prosecute McVeigh and Nichols
>in a state trial on 161 counts of First Degree Murder. "I don't
>like taking a second seat to the [federal] prosecution," Macy
>stated. "The bombing killed 10 of my friends."
>
>In a May 24, 1995 letter to Senator Orrin Hatch, one of the
>original drafters of the Anti-Terrorism Bill, Macy wrote:
>
> First, immediately following the trial or trials in Federal
> Court, I shall, working in conjunction with the United Sates
> Department of Justice and the federal law-enforcement
> agencies investigating the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah
> Building, prosecute the cowards responsible for murdering
> innocent people in the area surrounding the Federal
> Building.... The State of Oklahoma has an overwhelming,
> compelling interest to seek and obtain the maximum penalty
> allowable by law for the senseless and cowardly killings. Not
> only is it in the interest of the State, it is my sworn duty
> to seek those sanctions, and I intend to fully carry out my
> responsibilities.... Every day of delay represents a victory
> for these cowardly cold- blooded killers and another day of
> defeat and suffering for the victims and all other Americans
> who cry out for justice.
>
>Macy personally impressed upon me his interest in getting at the
>truth: "I'm prepared to do what ever it takes to get to the
>truth," Macy exclaimed. "My sole intent is in learning the
>truth!"
>
>Yet when asked if he intended to conduct an investigation
>independent of the Feds', he said, "Well... I don't want to be a
>party to anything that will interfere with the Feds' prosecution.
>I don't want to open up a new can of worms."
>
>THE GORELICK PHONE CALL
>
>After Macy lost the appeals hearing, he met with bombing victim
>Glenn Wilburn and Representative Key, explaining that he wished
>to cooperate with their investigation. Three days later, the two
>men discovered that Macy had decided to contest the Appeals
>Court's decision. When a furious Key confronted Macy, all that
>the "courageous, truth-seeking" DA told him was, "They won't let
>me." When Key demanded to know who "they" were, Macy just lowered
>his eyes to the floor and repeated, "They won't let me." [1]
>
>Key later learned from a source at ABC News that Macy had
>received a conference call from Janet Reno's deputy Jamie
>Gorelick, and the government's lead prosecutor, Joseph Hartzler,
>along with Governor Keating, Oklahoma City Fire Chief Gary Marrs,
>and Judge Daniel Owens. Interestingly, during a debate on FOX TV
>with Representative Key, Keating stated, "Nobody could get away
>with a cover-up; it would not be tolerated by civilized Oklahoma
>City.... Nobody's afraid of the truth." [2]
>
>KFOR's Jayna Davis shed some light on the "truth-seeking" efforts
>of Bob Macy and the good ole' boy network of politicos from which
>he descends. Two years earlier, after an 8-year-old boy was
>raped, both Davis and the Public Defender demanded to know why
>Macy hadn't done anything. When Macy thought the camera was off,
>he whipped around and sternly admonished the reporter: "Lady, I
>don't know who you are or where you came from, but this isn't how
>we do business in Oklahoma!" [3]
>
>This is the same Bob Macy who argued that it would be "a waste of
>the taxpayers' time and money to convene an Oklahoma County Grand
>Jury when one was already in session or when a Federal Grand Jury
>had already heard all available evidence."
>
>The Oklahoma Supreme Court did not agree with Macy. They
>unanimously upheld Key's right to impanel the grand jury, which
>is hearing evidence as of this writing.
>
>REP. KEY SUBPOENAED OVER INTERNET LETTER
>
>On May 7, 1997, Oklahoma State Attorney General Drew Edmondson
>subpoenaed Rep. Charles Key before a multi-county grand jury,
>alleging that he violated procedures in raising money for the
>bombing investigation. The Daily Oklahoman proudly proclaimed how
>it had played a critical role in bringing about the investigation
>of Key:
>
> The attorney general's action is a result of an inquiry by
> The Oklahoman about Key's seven-page solicitation letter on
> the Internet. The letter asks for money to "secure copies of
> the voluminous (federal) government documents and to pay
> independent investigators" and other expenses for the county
> grand jury investigation.... [4]
>
>According to Key's attorney, Mark Sanford, Key violated no rules
>at all. Another attorney who represented Key at the grand jury
>inquest, Representative Bill Graves, stated: "The law is pretty
>clear that you are not required to register before you hit the
>ten thousand dollar threshold, and Charles [Key] had not hit that
>limit so was not required to register. Edmondson knows that.
>They're just trying to slow Charles down or stop him through
>harassment." [5]
>
>"This is all about stopping us and making us shut up, said Key.
>"If I would just quit the grand jury deal, this would all go
>away." [6]
>
>Says V. Z Lawson, a HUD worker who survived the bombing, "You
>don't have to be that bright or look that hard to see the fraud
>and hypocrisy in these charges. For over a year and a half,
>they've been doing everything imaginable and employing the most
>absurd arguments to prevent Charles from impaneling a grand jury
>to investigate one of the worst crimes in our country's history.
>Now, after he's overcome all of their legal challenges in the
>courts and is close to getting a county grand jury investigation
>going, they drag him before a multi-county grand jury for what
>amounts to jaywalking, while the bombing and other genuine,
>serious crimes go uninvestigated." [7]
>
>PSYOPS ARE INTRODUCED
>
>Lawson also brought to the attention of bombing investigators a
>February 5th, fax transmission to federal employees on the
>official letterhead of Attorney General Drew Edmondson. The
>letter sought signatures from survivors to go with letters that
>were to be sent to various news organizations. The cover sheet
>said it came from Richard M. Wintory, Chief Deputy Attorney
>General of the Criminal Division. The letter, entitled, "A Plea
>to the Media from Oklahoma City: Don't O.J. Us!!!" purports to be
>a spontaneous response from victims asking the media not to
>"manipulate" and "exploit" them "for no purpose other than to
>enhance their ratings on the air and in publications."
>
>This obvious propaganda counteroffensive was in response to ABC
>20/20's January, 1996 show about prior knowledge. It referred to
>the "so-called report" by ABC as "tabloid journalism" filled with
>"unsubstantiated and baseless claims that have been repeatedly
>debunked."
>
>"We are appalled at the lack of interest in the truth and the
>underhanded method utilized by 20/20" stated the letter, which
>claimed that ABC had wrongfully implied that certain victims
>agreed with the "paranoid delusion" of the "ridiculous theory of
>government conspiracy in this crime." It added that "reporters
>are sometime tempted to forget the truth." Ultimately, it stated,
>"It is PEOPLE that matter in this life, neither money nor
>possession nor a Pulitzer Prize."
>
>This classic PSYOP piece launched by Edmondson (which he angrily
>denied in a letter to the author) was signed, "Many Survivors and
>Family Members, Oklahoma City Bombing."
>
>HUD employees V. Z. Lawson and Jane Graham were two survivors who
>angrily denounced the letter for the sham that it was. "Since the
>communication was loaded with lies and half truths, I certainly
>could not sign it," said Lawton, "and I felt like a state
>attorney general could better spend his time supporting an effort
>to find the truth rather than this transparent effort at helping
>to hide it."
>
>"I am angry," stated Graham in a typed response to the letter,
>"that the attorney general's office would play on the emotions of
>this office at HUD under the guise of keeping us posted on how
>they are proceeding and planning the case, causing further
>emotional turmoil in this office between employees." [8]
>
>Edmondson's blatant attempt at coercing the victims to pander to
>the official government line is similar to a letter from a group
>of victims suggesting passage of the Anti-Terrorism Bill. The
>recipients were urged to call Edmondson if they were interested
>in participating. Of course, while Edmondson accuses ABC 20/20 of
>"manipulating" and "exploiting" the bombing victims, it is
>obvious that Edmondson himself hasn't done anything to manipulate
>or exploit anyone.
>
>
>[An edited excerpt of David Hoffman's forthcoming book "The
>Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror." For more
>information, see
>http://www.webcom.com/haight/headshop/Hoffman.book.ad.html ]
>
>
>Notes:
>
>1. Rep. Charles Key, interviews with author.
>
>2. Rita Cosby, FOX News, 4/4/97.
>
>3. Interview with Jayna Davis. Macy's Assistant DAs who handled
>that case were John Farely and Jane Brown.
>
>4. Daily Oklahoman, 8/14/97.
>
>5. Mark Sanford, interview with author; William Jasper, "OKC
>Investigator Under Attack, " New American, 6/23/97.
>
>6. Brian Ford, "Fund-Raising Probed: Jury Looks into Efforts of
>Rep. Charles Key," Tulsa World, 5/6/97.
>
>7. Jasper, Op Cit.
>
>8. Ibid.
>
> Published in the Sep. 15, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly
> Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)
> Reposting permitted with this message intact
>

[XBob]

thanks - it looks very interesting, but I must break for now, and read later. But I will be back to it.

[norton]

"But the most important issue is that she should testify. "

And the most cogent fact is that she would lie.

[turbocat]

Well guess what I just did?

Sent an email, just now, to Congressman Sensenbrenner who is raising the question of Gorelick's conflict of interest:

Congressman Sensenbrenner:

I applaud your efforts to call attention to Ms.Gorelick's conflict of interest in serving on the 9/11 Commission. It also might be important that she not just recuse herself, but be compelled to testify.

Should she come under direct questioning, please explore her participation as what appears to be an "overseer" in both the TWA 800 crash AND the OKC bombing.

From a World Net Daily editorial:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38068

"Evidence strongly suggests it was Gorelick – not the ineffectual Freeh – who not only misdirected the FBI's investigation into Oklahoma City, but also the FBI investigation into TWA Flight 800. The parallels between the two cases are shocking. And in each case, the Clinton administration constrained the FBI for the same reason: to advance the re-election chances of its standard bearer. "

With rumors rampant in both incidents regarding Iraqi or foreign involvement - this appears too coincidental and protective of the Clinton administration as they prepared for reelection.

Thank you.

[philosofy123]

This is the best example of how the liberal/diversity crowds on the left INTENTIALLY ignored the safety of our country for appeasement of the Moslem Arabs. An investigation of Clinton treatment of the world trade center bombing, Ruby Ridge, Waco Texas massacre, Oklahoma massacre should reveal that Clinton and his goons should serve the rest of their lives in Federal Prison. On the other hand, the Bush administration started good by attacking Afghanistan the center of Islamic jihad and be laden, then they left Osama and his goons for a year while chasing SECULAR Iraq. The enemies are not just Arabs, they are fanatical Islamist Arabs. Bush advisors appeared to be confused, as they don't know the difference. They should have been focused on the fanatic Islamic governments like Iran, and Saudi Arabia first. At this point we are stuck in this hell hole Iraq due to the constant flow of money and jihadists from Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[Gritty]

Gorelick's footprints are everywhere in this entire sordid Clinton mess culminating in the 911 attacks. Now they are on the very Comission investigating them.

What is wrong with this picture?

[ravingnutter]

From WorldNetDaily:

Yes, Clinton and Gore did abandon airport security planning for sake of campaign cash. But worse, they concealed the real cause of the crash, in no small part to justify that abandonment.

In fact, on the same day in September of 1996 that Al Gore sent the airline's lobbyist a letter signaling his intent to roll over, the National Transportation Safety Board reversed its spin and all but ruled out a bomb or missile strike [on TWA 800].

WND

In our book, "First Strike," James Sanders and I make this arguably prophetic comment:

John Kerry seemed to have his sights on Al Gore's Achilles' heel. After the events of Sept. 11, the story of how Al Gore helped subvert the investigation into TWA 800 and undermine airport security may yet prove to be a career-killer. Kerry's "slips" may have put Gore out of the race even before he got in.

Two weeks after advanced copies of "First Strike" started circulating around Washington, Gore withdrew from the presidential race. His withdrawal shocked Washington. It did not shock Sanders and me. We expected it. Kerry plays hardball, too.

WND

[Enduring Freedom]

DO NOT LET THIS DIE

[sully777]

No no. I thought there is no connection between OKC, WTC, and Iraq? (sarcasm)

[GBA]

Bump for truth and justice.

[Triple]

Perhaps the wall was built to prevent a full investigation into China illegally funding the Clinton campaign.

It seem to me that two separate teams would have to work on such an investigation, with neither team having the ability to paint the whole picture. P<> Regards,

[Barset]

Thank you for posting this. b

[gwjack]

I heard during the morning drive time that Jayna Davis will be interviewed between 4:00 pm and 6:00 pm CDT on one of our (OKC's) radio stations tomorrow (4/17). You may listen live at http://www.ktok.com/main.html

The teaser was that Ms. Davis records a meeting with Tim McVeigh and one of the 19 September 11 hijackers in Oklahoma City surrounding the time of the bombing.

Gwjack

[Final Authority]

If in fact she has knowledge of cover-ups at the highest of levels can we believe that GWB would want her and the mass media to shed light on it? If the airline industry is off now, how would it be if TWA 800 downing was reported and proven to be a terrorist act, as I and many believe it to be, and if the flight over Rockaway was also?

It would be fun to pin the past on Clinton people but it doesn't solve the problem. They couldn't stop it in advance and that is where we need to concentrate, on preemption.

[tang-soo]

Richard Clarke was well aware of these plans. In response to a question by Democrat Richard Ben-Veniste at a 9-11 hearing, Clarke admitted that the "knowledge about al-Qaida having thought of using aircraft as weapons" was relatively old – "five years, six years old." He asked that intelligence analysts "be forgiven for not thinking about it given the fact that they hadn't seen a lot in the five or six years intervening about it." He admittedly did not share these plans with the Bush administration.

Checkmate!

[Guenevere]

bttt

[Doogle]

...for those that like to read..(or connect dots)
...and related previous posts (Torricelli) and why he got the "boot"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15718

Doogle

[Judith Anne]

Bump for a cold hard truth thread.