Pres. Reagan: No Palestinian State, No return to '67 borders

IMRA ^ | September 1, 1982

[yonif]

Ping.

[onyx]

Twenty two years later,
the world has changed.
I think RWR would today,
sound very similar to GWB.

[highlander_UW]

This can't be true because I very clearly heard it declared in the news that Bush is taking an unprecedented position for a president to suggest Israel should not give up all the land and roll back to the 1949 mandated boarders. </sarcasm>

[yonif]

Twenty two years later, the world has changed.

What was your opinion on the Oslo Accords during the mid 1990s?

[onyx]

Anything that involved Arafat I opposed.
Never believed him, never trusted him,
thought all along he was buying time.

Only fair to tell you that I view Islamofacists
as HINOS. Humans In Name Only.

[yonif]

Anything that involved Arafat I opposed.

And how does the roadmap not involve Arafat or the regime he heads?

[onyx]

Oh yoni,
I don't want to get into my opinion of the road-map.
I think it's too convoluted to ever work.
I think it would (not the optimistic "will")
take at least two decades to breed the hatred out
of those persons who call themselves Palestinians
to even harbor the thought of a peaceful coexistence.

[yonif]

So based on your conclusions regarding these Arabs, how do you then support the establishment of a "Palestinian" state?

[malakhi]

Good find.

22 years later, and still dealing with the same crap.

[onyx]

The ME policies are nothing but "containment."
Bush, Sharon, Blair are trying to keep the ME from exploding; from going nuclear.
Carrot and stick, knowing full well the Islamic side
will never keep its end of whatever agreement or meet
its prescribed obligations.
It's politics, with the highest of stakes.
You know it.
We all know it.

The so-called establishment of a Palestinian State is
just that, "talk."

Let me put it to you this way.
How long do you think the US would sit still
were Mexico kidnapping and terrorizing Americans,
blowing up bus loads of our citizens, pizza parlours,
and night clubs?

Would we tolerate it?
Hell no.
We'd remove Mexico from the map.
Israel might consider doing the same.

[labette]

I miss the Gipper. God bless him.

[Indie]

All of your posts on this subject, are a voice of reason, ironically enough. It is irrational to expect peace from an enemy sworn and bred to destroy all things not of itself. In short, contrary to some PC FReepers here, we will eventually have to kill them all and let their allah sort 'em out, if we are to survive. In fact, this may be a war that only God Himself can win [WWIII]. Period.

P>S> Death to the Islamonazis. Bring it back to the US, and you will get a taste of our retribution HINOS! [I like that!]

[Huck]

Too bad we can't send old Kit Carson in after 'em. I do believe he'd round 'em all up by hisself!

[onyx]

All of your posts on this subject, are a voice of reason, ironically enough.

Thanks. Ditto for your yours:
"In fact, this may be a war that only God Himself can win [WWIII]. Period."

[yonif]

The so-called establishment of a Palestinian State is just that, "talk."

You are correct on what the US will do. But once this disengagement plan goes about, this "Palestinian" state will not be "talk":

An Israeli gov. minister says it perfectly:

Landau pointed out that the Bush letter made no reference to Israel's 14 points about the roadmap thus leaving the roadmap with its fatal flaws (under the roadmap the Quartet decides if a Palestinian state should be formed in evacuated areas based on what it considers the relative performance of the Palestinians as compared to the Israeli performance - the Palestinians are not actually required to successfully complete any security-related operations. The state is formed without requiring either Israeli consent or Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. The Bush statements also did not explicitly link the Phase II Palestinian state to the successful completion of security operations - thus essentially rendering meaningless his statement regarding Israeli control of movement between Gaza and the outside world as [even while Bush remains president and opts to honor his words] it only holds until a Phase II Palestinian state ). (http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=20432)

Add to that the presence of international troops in Gaza, and Israel will be unable to take decisive action, just like it can't do so in Lebanon now, with the UN there providing the cover for Hizbullah terror.

[onyx]

Yonif, I believe God watches over Israel and the USA.
President Bush is a good man. Ditto for PM Sharon.
Both leaders are doing their very best.

To quote Nix2:

"George Bush loves G-d and keeps His commandments."

28 posted on 04/15/2004 2:18:51 AM PDT by Nix 2 (http://cachelot.blogspot.com for Skerry stuff)

[Nix 2]

If you take a look at the aforementioned blog, you will see the explanation/opinion I have held all along....and yonif, if you would stop for just a moment and stop posting on bare emotion, you could see all the logic in it too. Bush lifted the Green Line. Don't you realize that yet? This is not a President who does ANYTHING lightly without knowing the consequences of his actions. All you need do is find a pic of Chirac immediately after this announcement. Implosion. The *quartet* is dead, and it won't be too awfully long before the UN goes down into the eternal slimepit along with a palestinian state.

THOU SHALT NOT

[Deb]

The road map does not include Arafat because Bush has said he would never talk peace with Arafat. The Palestinians must have a new leader who speaks for them. Arafat will never be that leader.

[jackbill]

I don't remember a lot of suicide bombings during Reagan's term.