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Judge Allows Nationwide Ephedra Ban
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=541&e=12&u=/ap/ephedra_ban | 4/12/04

Posted on 04/12/2004 11:15:08 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance

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1 posted on 04/12/2004 11:15:08 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Alcohol is dangerous if overused also.

Anyone here want to ban the use of alcohol?

Cigarettes,what about them?

Thank God we have the government to keep us safe we are all such morons.


2 posted on 04/12/2004 11:19:47 AM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen--caviar and cigarettes)
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The gov't must not have found a way to tax the bejeeeezes out of it like smokes & booze.
3 posted on 04/12/2004 11:22:34 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Linked to 155 deaths? Compared to the millions of people that take supplements containing Ephedera? More people probably OD on asprin.

Nevertheless, it just means more of you fatty's will be going to the grave early now that being fat has replaced smoking as the number one preventable cause of death.

I wonder how the number of deaths linked to dietary supplements compares to the number of deaths linked to being a fatty? hmmmm...

4 posted on 04/12/2004 11:24:33 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Any guesses on what we will actually have choices about in another 5-10 years? I'm guessing that by the time we get sick enough of government invasion of every aspect of our private lives to do something about it, it will be too late. Even now, we are helping them with the shackles.
5 posted on 04/12/2004 11:28:47 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Smogger
The ephedra was a short-term kind of thing with a linkable cause/effect, where as my expanding waistline is a lifestyle, hence the ephedra was an easy target.
6 posted on 04/12/2004 11:29:07 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: sweetliberty
I will make 2 sets of predictions based on the outcome of the fall election.

Bush wins - more of the same degradation in the american way of life. I don't blame him, it's merely the way our entire structure is currently working, from the schools to the media to the government.

Kerry wins - we all line up forr the blue pill daily and go off to our worker utopia world after extensive "INDOCTRINATION" and "RETRAINING"
7 posted on 04/12/2004 11:32:03 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Pretty bleak picture either way.
8 posted on 04/12/2004 11:34:23 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
That's while i enjoy beer & cigs now, they won't be around long for us regular people.
9 posted on 04/12/2004 11:39:30 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: Fierce Allegiance; Wolfstar
Is there any chance for an appeal? Or can Congress slip something in that prohibits the use of funds to enforce an ephedra ban?

It can't standbased on the RAND study that HHS was using.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1116157/posts?page=1
10 posted on 04/12/2004 11:42:39 AM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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Linked to 155 deaths? Compared to the millions of people that take supplements containing Ephedera? More people probably OD on asprin.

FYI. There were 250 deaths last year due to peanut allergies.

So what do the feds do? Ban ephedra.

11 posted on 04/12/2004 11:56:27 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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Gee, this does NOT make sense, and it's probably inviolation here.

We're talking 165 deaths TOTAL vs. 250 to peanuts a year.

But something had to take the fall because someone did not follow the directions on the label. Ephedra took the fall. Now, when my stockpile runs out, I'm going to have to welcome back the 25 pounds I gained.

Thanks for NOTHING, Secretary Thompson.
12 posted on 04/12/2004 12:03:40 PM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Sure it will, you'll just be added to the WOD's list of criminals that will have to buy it on the Black Market and some of you will eventually end up going to jail for it. Just think you'll be listed right along with the Crack & Heroin addicts, Thanks U.S. Govt. for nothing!
13 posted on 04/12/2004 12:06:38 PM PDT by HELLRAISER II (Give us another tax break Mr. President)
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This is crazy - people wanting to get healthy cannot. they are only banning it bc people abused it. what about fast food - that is probably the cause of more deaths than ephedra. i take ephedra as it helped me go from an unhealthy weight to one which is good. 165 people died - that is nothing more people die from asprin per year. UNBELEIVABLE.
14 posted on 04/12/2004 12:16:22 PM PDT by goldylight
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To: Fierce Allegiance
This is so silly. Viagra will never go off the market, no matter how many men die or how many side effects, but never will any diet medication be allowed.

Very strange priority our FDA has.

15 posted on 04/12/2004 12:17:16 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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This is so silly. Viagra will never go off the market, no matter how many men die or how many side effects, but never will any diet medication be allowed.

Very strange priority our FDA has.

16 posted on 04/12/2004 12:17:25 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Mears
Ephedra, once hugely popular for weight loss and bodybuilding, has been linked to 155 deaths and dozens more heart attacks and strokes.

Aspirin kills thousands a year.... Ban aspirin! ;) This is pretty dumb.
17 posted on 04/12/2004 12:19:43 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your state Republican party office and VOLUNTEER FOR A CAMPAIGN!!!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
We certainly will not see the pharmaceutical version of ephedra banned! It's in OTC cold, allergy and asthma medicines. Amazing!
18 posted on 04/12/2004 12:25:33 PM PDT by BossLady (Everything that has a power......will confront it's polarity......)
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This is crazy - people wanting to get healthy cannot. they are only banning it bc people abused it.

This is why many of us "small-L" libertarians have been against the War on Drugs all this time. It is a far more slippery slope than most people want to admit.

Of course, I'm sure the usual suspects will show up sooner or later to tell us we're all godless libertines and FedGov is here to make everything better.
19 posted on 04/12/2004 12:29:24 PM PDT by augggh (proud lurker since 2000!)
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To: adam_az; Wolfie; Poohbah; section9; Catspaw; Howlin; PhiKapMom; daviddennis; PRND21; veronica
I can't believ that Tommy Thompson, of all people, would fall for a wave of hysteria, particularly given the facts behind Steve Bechler's death.

http://www.mediresource.sympatico.ca/health_news_detail.asp?channel_id=8&news_id=923

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0313/1523003.html

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/orioles/2003-02-17-bechler-collapse_x.htm

It sounds like he was overdosing on the supplement. And this leaves me up the creek without a paddle once my stockpile runs out.
20 posted on 04/12/2004 12:35:25 PM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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