Anyone feel a draft?

Maine Today ^ | 4/11/04 | Donald N. Zillman

[leadpenny]

Bingo!

[reluctantwarrior]

What happened to very bad dog on that other thread?

[Jack Black]

I'm not sure if your joking or not. If your not I'd love to hear from you. (If you are I'd still love to hear from you if you really are going to Afghanistan). If you were meaning to point out that my post was somewhat fanciful, I plead guilty. But no more so than people who are calling for a draft. That won't happen unless things get much much worse at home.

I wonder what issues would arise with the various government officials should a "Third Oregon Volunteer Infantry" be organize??

[ex-snook]

Hey WW II was won by draftees doing the grunt work. But not to worry the military is now being privatized so a draft won't be necessary nor will converting the Reserves into Regular Army.

We could also outsource the military to the unemployed of the world. We could hired them for cheaper than Americans.

This would be free to today's society in live-style and tax cuts. Costs for turning wars over to private enterprise and outsourcing would be added to the deficit and passed to the next generation. I love it when a plan comes together.

[Defender2]

As long as that backstabbing grenade throwing, akbar is not behind me while I'm fighting the enemy, it works for me!!!!

[reluctantwarrior]

Well I was joking about sending people because the military has no sense of humor about extra legal combatants on the modern battlefield. I am going to Afghanistan for nine months, I spent six months in Africa last year. My reward for being good at tracking down bad guys related to the GWOT. I don't mind fanciful posts and generally support the idea of organizing volunteer units that could be federalized for service. I would welcome the Third Oregon Volunteer Infantry in Afcrackistan. I want a draft for the immediate expansion of the army by three or four divisions, and I mean immediate. Not because I know something but because I don't know the intentions of all the various scum bags out there...

[leadpenny]

You've been in the military for 28 years. Think of all the crime committed by service men and women during that time. With few exceptions, it would have been committed by volunteers.

You came in 5 or 6 years after the draft had ended and can only know what it was like to serve with draftees (except those who decided to stay past their two year committment) by what you have read or heard. I served with draftees before, during and after Vietnam. I even trained some draftees in Basic Training in 73. You are wrong in your assessment. Period.

[Defender2]

That's what you think, period. guess what, I don't want to worry about enemies behind my back while I'm fighting them headon!!!! keep your draft to yourself, and no thank you!!!!

D2

[leadpenny]

Like I posted to you on that other thread, I think the mods monitor what goes on and decide to check on some - especially newbies. Many times I think they have signed up under false pretenses, ie. they were banned before under a different screen name. I sure didn't turn him in. But he's gone.

[leadpenny]

I served with draftees who would have laughed at you.

I'm laughing at you. And, I pity your bigotry.

[archy]

There are few things in history easier to do than raise an army. A nation that cannot raise one voluntarily is not worth fighting for.

Perhaps the answer is to use the draft to staff the army for the defense of the nation itself and the borders, and to use only volunteers for actions outside the 50 states.

That would leave some interesting circumstances for the Air Force, who might staff some stateside bases with conscripts while volunteers would be eligible to serve overseas at much more rewarding rates of pay and other benefits. Likewise the Navy would have some volunteer-specific circumstances aboard ships.

And I'd expect the Marines would have no problem maintaining an all-volunteer force, though they've resorted to drafted Marines in the past.

[Defender2]

You have insulted me to the nth degree in your previous post to me without giving you one solitary personal insult to you. How dare you put any labels on me, leadpenny. In this instance you are looking into the mirror saying all those insults to me, when you are really insulting yourself.

Keep your draft to yourself, thanks!!!!

[archy]

There is a statue in Prescott, Arizona of Bucky Oniell he was in the 1st US volunteer cavalry during the Spanish American War. I think it is a smashing idea and lets do it today.....I am going to Afghanistan in a few weeks and will send a note on how many people we need.

[reluctantwarrior]

I think the broad brush strokes painted him and many draftees from other times in a pretty unfavorable light. I understand your angst about Akbar but he was a volunteer, it is always a mixed bag when you recriut or draft people and it sometimes defies easy categorization. Akbar was a traitor, and some draftees might be too. But many would be patriots. Just like some volunteers from the street gangs join to get schooled on weapons and tactics then take it back to the barrio to wage war on their rival bangers. Some volunteers are anti US posers looking to be fifth column traitors I'm sure some draftees would be too.

[leadpenny]

Go see the Chaplain. Maybe he'll punch your TS (that's not Top Secret) card for ya.


You have demeaned the reputations of millions of honorable draftees of the last century and you need to apologize to them.

And, it's not my draft. It is and would be the law of the land.

[Defender2]

I know akbar was a volunteer!!!! I don't want anyone with the same mentality drafted into the service whereupon I have to watch my back instead of being able to put my trust and faith the troops watching my back, period!!!!

[Defender2]

Thank God, you are not in a position to make the draft the law of the land!!!!:-)


D2

[reluctantwarrior]

We have the right size military for fighting third and fourth rate militaries but we are low on dudes and dudettes and need to expand the army by three or four divisions. How would you do that with out a draft?

[leadpenny]

Oh, but I am. I am a citizen and I have a voice.

[mercy]

Screw being truly representative of the people. We need three times the military force we now have. This country needs a draft now.