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Gov. Haley Barbour has declared April Confederate Heritage month in Mississippi
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| 04-03-04
Posted on 04/03/2004 9:02:32 PM PST by WKB
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To: Non-Sequitur
It is telling that at a time when the victorious Union armies were liberating dozens of miles of southern territory per day from the forces of the rebellionThat's what you call liberation is it? I'd call it mass looting, rape, arson, and murder of innocent civilians
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posted on
04/06/2004 11:00:36 AM PDT
by
billbears
(Deo Vindice.)
To: familyofman
Then what exactly was your intention? Just out making snide little comments about others - please spare me the innocent victim stuff. I think you know that I was commenting on your hysterical reaction to you being the butt of a joke. It smacks of hypocrisy, given you thin skinned you are. I thought it was pretty funny myself. But as I said, after reading your remarks on this thread, it seems I was right without even knowing it.
As far as who won the Civil War - there can be no argument - the Union left ol dixie a mess (kinda like a bi*ch-slapping).
Only if any win is a bitch slapping.
I'll give you a free tip - on these threads you are supposed to "win" the argument by cutting and pasting about 9 pages of text.
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posted on
04/06/2004 11:09:02 AM PDT
by
Hacksaw
(theocratic paleoconistic Confederate flag waving loyalty oath supporter)
To: Non-Sequitur
Typical smirking, yankee response. You only outnumbered us 4 to 1.
To: familyofman
Check the losses on a percentage of population, the south took a much bigger hit. Yeah, cause they were INVADED. The fact still remains though that a smaller southern army was able to inflict substantially greater casualties upon a larger and better equipped northern army both in battle deaths and deaths off the field. Winning the war was no easy task for the north and it strained every last resource they had over four long bloody years of failure to subdue something that Abe Lincoln first thought he could handle in about a month.
To: familyofman
If you can't finish what you start - it's best not to start the fight. All we ever did was secede and ask the hostile armies sitting within our borders to leave and return to their own. Lincoln's the one who invaded us.
To: Hacksaw
"I'll give you a free tip ..."
Thanks.
To: Non-Sequitur
Don't be too hasty. According to stand watie y'all have this stinky bellybutton thing going on down thar. It's a simple matter of observation and deduction from that observation, non-seq. There were people on the subway who smelled like New York's sidewalks. Those sidewalks had a urine stench, therefore it's a reasonable conclusion that the people on the subway pissed all over themselves (quite possibly while aiming for the sidewalk as they apparently so often do) and failed to clean themselves up afterwards.
To: familyofman
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posted on
04/06/2004 11:20:06 AM PDT
by
Hacksaw
(theocratic paleoconistic Confederate flag waving loyalty oath supporter)
To: uncitizen
Not only could the North afford to lose more men than the South, the North had the necessary industry for war materiel, and they were able to import what they could not make.
Grant didn't out maneuver Lee as much as he overwhelmed him.The South was failing, fading... unable to replace men, horses, ammunition, etc. They had lost too many good men and had no one to replace them. How do you replace a Stonewall Jackson and a JEB Stuart.
That's not saying that Grant wasn't a good general. His victories in the West proved that his brand of fighting was effective. But, as strategist, he can not be put into the same class as Lee. Lee fought with more handicaps than Grant did. And despite those handicaps, Lee was successful. And, oh, how he succeeded.
What Grant understood more than those who came before him was that the objective of the war was Lee and not Richmond. Grant also knew that Lee could not rearm or build up his army. Grant knew that he could slowly bleed Lee out, which he did. For that, Grant deserves all kudos.
Grant was gracious in victory...and Lee was gracious in defeat. Both their quality shone that day. Too bad, we can't learn a lesson from them.
Each general brought their own strength and weaknesses to the battle field to life. But, if I was a fighting man... I would want to be in Jackson's army... IMO, he was the top general of the Civil War -- bar none.
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posted on
04/06/2004 12:08:06 PM PDT
by
carton253
(I don't do nuance)
To: Non-Sequitur; wardaddy; WKB; dixiechick2000; wylenetheconservative
My daddy always told me,
"you can't make a race horse out of a mule"
and you have proved it's true.
You hang your hat on Mr. Mc Queens's speech
and another cherry-picked speech you already posted here,
(both of which are easily reaped from the Internet),
but quoting them, as though their words define the South's
secession is tantamount to portraying Eric Rudolph as the
leader and speaker for the pro-life movement.
I can't figure why you have such an interest in Mississippi and our Governor Haley's proclamation to celebrate, remember, and revere our proud Southern hertiage. Nothing going on in Kansas for you to whine about?
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:12:07 PM PDT
by
onyx
(If FR isn't worth a dollar a day, what is? Be a $1-A-Day Club Member. I am.)
To: carton253
I agree with everything you say. It was just funny to realize that Grant took offense to the assertions that Lee was a better general than he and that he won not by his own skill but rather by the enemy simply not having any more men to fight.
To: stand watie
Amen brother!
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:17:22 PM PDT
by
Colt .45
( Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Falsum etiam est verum quod constituit superior.)
To: WKB; wardaddy; dixiechick2000
The antagonist revisionist goof balls sitting a top their lofty perches up north seem to be roosting for the time being.
I hope they stay there.
They won't.
They come out at night.
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:19:44 PM PDT
by
onyx
(If FR isn't worth a dollar a day, what is? Be a $1-A-Day Club Member. I am.)
To: Hacksaw
What is up with your nutty governor... We seem to have a thing for wacky female Democrate governors. But alas, our Republican ones aren't much better.
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:39:28 PM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: billbears
That's what you call liberation is it? I'd call it mass looting, rape, arson, and murder of innocent civilians. You would.
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:40:27 PM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: dljordan
Typical smirking, yankee response. You only outnumbered us 4 to 1. Typical whining rebel response. I guess you bit off a bit more than you could chew, didn't you?
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:41:53 PM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: onyx
I can't figure why you have such an interest in Mississippi and our Governor Haley's proclamation to celebrate, remember, and revere our proud Southern hertiage. I could honestly not care less what you and the rest of the state of Mississippi choose to celebrate. But be honest about it. By far the single most important reason for the southern rebellion was defense of the institution of slavery, your claims to the contrary notwithstanding.
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:45:09 PM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Non-Sequitur
But be honest about it. By far the single most important reason for the southern rebellion was defense of the institution of slavery, your claims to the contrary notwithstanding.
Oh stop that.
First of all, the WBTS was not a "Southern rebellion."
It was a legitimate cause: that being the right of
individual states to secede from an overreaching, all
too powerful union. Try thinking in terms of today's
monstrosity in Washington, D.C. and the abomination
known as Roe V Wade. There's a state's issue if there
ever was one.
What the Yankees did to the Constitution in 1865,
is the root of the evil which encompasses us today.
Slavery was ugly, it was wrong, but it also wrong
to insist that slavery was the issue that started the WBTS.
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:59:28 PM PDT
by
onyx
(If FR isn't worth a dollar a day, what is? Be a $1-A-Day Club Member. I am.)
Comment #139 Removed by Moderator
To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad; Non-Sequitur; WKB; wardaddy
South Carolina seceded for self defense.
Yes, it did.
Exactly right and
thank you.
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posted on
04/06/2004 2:08:33 PM PDT
by
onyx
(If FR isn't worth a dollar a day, what is? Be a $1-A-Day Club Member. I am.)
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