Catholic Church 'will refuse Kerry communion' -

The Telegraph - UK ^ | April 4, 2004 | Julian Coman

[Ann Archy]

If Kerry only SOUGHT an annulment but never received one, well the priests would HAVE to deny him Cmmunion!!

SHOW US THE ANNULMENT PAPERS, JFK!!

[Dan from Michigan]

I'm Catholic, and I'm not voting for Hanoi John.

[tkathy]

Hopefully the Almighty has more important things on his mind.

[oh8eleven]

You're not "An Old Man" - you're Old Corps!
Semper Fi ...

[don-o]

You owe me a keyboard.

Here's hoping that the Vatican and the AMBishops at large grow a pair.

And that faithful Catholics freep any Mass that Ketchup boy slithers into.

[Mr. Thorne]

Roe V Wade hasn't 'connected' yet.

Seriously.

Look, my parents are both yellow dog democrats. Here's how it breaks down:

Both my Dad, the fallen away Protestant, and Mom, the life long Catholic, were raised in a working man's world. The Dem party was 'the party of the little guy,' supporting Unions, providing social security, yada yada yada.

Secular support. That's nailed dad, and winged mom.

The dems get Kennedy. Yeah, I know, he was about as good a Catholic as I am a Unitarian, but he was the First Catholic President. And like it or not, that was a big step for Catholics. And he was a Democrat.

So there's the religion thing. Democrat=Pro-Catholic. Now you've got mom.

Add to this the 'all politics is local' bit. My parents are far more concerned with what's happening in town than what's happening in DC. So, if Representative Cypher shows up at church, and tells everybody how he was an altar boy, and how he votes for the working man, well you can imagine...

And there's a certain amount of blame on our side of the fence. Bush I, for instance, was a bit wobbly on the pro-life tack. And Barbara was pro-choice. When the time came to vote for Clinton or Bush, the choice between the two, ostensibly pro-life (but what has he DONE?) vs. safe, legal and rare (how bad could he BE?).

Now, GW is making it much harder for Catholics, in conscience, to vote Dem. But some of us can still convince ourselves that platitudes about caring trump an active support of the culture of death. I ain't one of 'em, but I know some of 'em.

And then there's at least one more factor. There are a lot of people to whom religion is little more than a social club. It's a place to hang out and meet friends on Saturday or Sunday; it's something to call yourself on a census form. It's a set of general rules, and you know, nobody's REALLY gonna get in your face about disobeying a few here and there.

Obviously Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, Sharpton and Jackson all could be considered part of the latter group. Faith is a great thing: it gives them friends and social contacts and in some cases a moral authority that their actions would not objectively merit.

Of course, this is all MHO, as I am but a layman, and no theologian or social scientist.

[AAABEST]

ping!

[don-o]

If the Church wanted to actually accomplish something Kennedy, Daschle, Kerry, etc. should be turned away all on the same day.

I find it encouraging that the matter is in the air. It's April. Every Sunday until November, we will be looking at what Lurch is up to, vis a vis his Sunday obligation as a Catholic .

[AAABEST]

It's nice to see Rome taking a stand.

Notice how everyone falls behind them when they do.

[grellis]

I would LOVE to know where Jenny From The Block has been going to church. St. Mary's gets picketed because of her and she doesn't go there (I used to see Engler there quite a bit). Any idea where she spends her weekends?

[FlyVet]

Keep looking for those "teachable moments." ;)

I'm not looking for those moments any more, I'm waiting. They know where I stand.

[FlyVet]

I'm Catholic, and I'm not voting for Hanoi John.

I've read enough of your posts, knew that. :) Are you on the same page as your parents, etc, which makes it a lot easier, or are you somewhat of an outcast? I'm an outcast, too ornery to give in, and darn proud of it.

[AMDG&BVMH]

"I'm waiting. They know where I stand"

When they come around, they will prob. not admit you were right all along. ;)

[Ronaldus Magnus]

According to rumour, Mr Kerry would attend Mass knowing that he would be refused Communion in the full glare of the media. Sympathetic Catholics would then be expected to rally to his cause. However, a senior Democrat official not affiliated to the Kerry campaign discounted the "martyr option".

Whether or not this strategy is a good idea, I believe I may have been the first to predict it:

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To: mdittmar
My guess is that the Kerry campaign has decided to attempt to bait the Catholic Church into excommunicating him so he can become some sort of martyr to civic secularism.

18 posted on 03/14/2004 9:09:42 PM CST by Ronaldus Magnus
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Not to toot my own horn, of course. ;~)

[Ronaldus Magnus]

My guess is that the Kerry campaign has decided to attempt to bait the Catholic Church into excommunicating him so he can become some sort of martyr to civic secularism.

[AMDG&BVMH]

"I'm an outcast, too ornery to give in, and darn proud of it."

Your steadfast example is doing good. Too many people "go along to get along". Thank goodness for all the ornery outcasts who have refused to cave in to the politics and culture of abortion for so many years . . .

[FlyVet]

No, they won't. "I'm sorry" is not in their vocabulary. They don't like it when some thorn in their side like me says, "Hey, wait a minute. That's not right."

[Twinkie]

The Catholic Church did not even refuse communion to
BILL CLINTON, for Pete's sake. Democrat POTUS's do as
they please.

[DuncanWaring]

Hopefully the Almighty has more important things on his mind.

Got any suggestions?

[varina davis]

Yea For Bishop O'Malley!

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"Ah, but Mr. Kerry believes in separation of church and politics, remember? He doesn't let his faith inform his decision-making as a pol. Or maybe he actually does."

Separation of church and state has NOTHING to do with receiving Communion. Being pro-choice has everything to do with the separation of a Catholic from the Church. Kerry can vote how he likes and believe what he wants about abortion but if it is not in line with Church teaching....no communion. A Catholic must believe and profess that it is an objective truth that abortion is the taking of innocent human life. If a Catholic professes otherwise in such a high profile way as to give scandal to the Church, set a bad example, and facilitate abortion it is a mortal sin. Every time you go to Communion with a mortal sin on your soul, that is another mortal sin and the bishop or priest has every right and duty to withold Communion.