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Author Reports Theft of Some of Kerry's FBI Files (New Info - New Spin)
L.A. Times ^ | March 27th, 2004 | John Gilonna

Posted on 03/27/2004 8:47:20 AM PST by Sabertooth

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To: Sabertooth
Knowing what the Clintons did to anyone who opposed them, the beatings (Gennifer's neighbor who filmed Clinton visiting her), the tax audits, the vilifications upon their characters, the breakins, the murders...why would anyone be so stupid as to leave these files in their home?

I hope copies exist. Didn't he get them from the Freedom of Information act? I'm assuming they are copies, if he did and the real files are safely in the government hands.

41 posted on 03/27/2004 10:20:12 AM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: Sabertooth
He said he was moving the remaining documents to a secure location Friday afternoon.

Yeah. NOW the guy gets a brain, lol.

Meantime, the whole things still smells fishy and makes no sense. There's no motive. Various publications have copies of the files, Bush's people can get them anytime they want, and, in fact, anybody else who wants to obtain the files through the FOIA can get them the same way Nicosia did.

I can't figure out if there is even a story here, but my first overriding suspicion is that this clown Nicosia, of San Fransicko, is trying to get his name in the news; make a name for himself. Nothing else makes sense.

42 posted on 03/27/2004 10:20:33 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sabertooth
These were copies I presume, and the originals are still at the government archives? FOIA requests are always for copies and reasonable charges are made for copying them.
43 posted on 03/27/2004 10:21:12 AM PST by bayourod (We can depend on Scary Kerry's imaginary foreign leaders to protect us from terrorists.)
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To: Sabertooth
Particular files from the remaining 11 boxes were also taken, Nicosia said, including files containing documents about Kerry that hadn't been reviewed yet by others

Hmmmmm

Thanks for the other links, too. I see I missed some recent threads due to my concentrating more on the Richard Clarke brouhaha.

44 posted on 03/27/2004 10:24:56 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: BARLF
You're talking about open doors, aren't you!

LOL
45 posted on 03/27/2004 10:26:44 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: cyncooper
The easiest way to poison the original story is to create a new story that implicates the opposition. This is just too convenient.
46 posted on 03/27/2004 10:26:57 AM PST by eggman (Social Insecurity - Who will provide for the government when the government provides for all of us?)
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To: armymarinemom
Kerry Computer - I love it!
47 posted on 03/27/2004 10:40:42 AM PST by BykrBayb (FReepers make algore regret inventing the Internet)
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To: elbucko
At least not till after the election. Man, it would be sweet to have some type of recorded meeting between him and Fonda or some other known Soviet agent.

I know Nixon wasn't fonda Kerry so who knows.
48 posted on 03/27/2004 10:45:00 AM PST by Bogey78O (I voted for this tagline... before I voted against it.)
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To: Yaelle
The following is an excerpt from a book, "Winter Soldiers," by Richard Staciewicz, pp 294-295:

In the fall of 1971, tensions over the direction in which the organization was heading, as it spread out into various community activities and took on a more consciously anti-imperialist position, were becoming more evident. In November, an emergency meeting of the steering committee was held in Kansas City. This meeting was a result of the growing friction among members of the steering committee, and between new members and the old leadership.
[snip]

[Terry DuBose] TDB: That was also where there was actually some discussion of assassinating some senators during the Christmas holidays. They were people who I knew from the organization with hotheaded rhetoric.

They had a list of six senators ... Helms, John Tower, and I can't remember the others, who they wanted to assassinate when they adjourned for Christmas. They were the ones voting to fund the war. They approached me about assassinating John Tower because he was from Texas. The logic made a certain amount of sense because there's thousands of people dying in southeast Asia. We can shoot these six people and probably stop it. Some of us were willing to sabotage materials, but when it came to people ... I mean, there were a lot of angry people...

The following is from Gerald Nicosia's book, "Home To War," pp 221-223:

[Scott] Camil proposed VVAW return in force to Washington, D.C., and there apply pressure in every conceivable way to the legislators who were still voting to fund the war. After the assembly of coordinators defeated the plan, he was told it was “a closed issue at this point." Camil replied that such a tactic was "never a closed issue." He then made known an even more radical proposal, which he intended to submit to the coordinators for their approval. If undertaken, he claimed, it would guarantee the end of congressional support for the war. It was this proposal that nearly blew the Kansas City convention wide open, and which branded Camil as both dangerous and crazy for the remainder of his time in the organization.

What Camil sketched was so explosive that the coordinators feared lest government agents even hear of it. So they decamped to a church on the outskirts of town with the intention of debating the plan in complete privacy. When they got the church, however, they found that the government was already on to them; their "debugging expert" uncovered microphones hidden all over the place. An instantaneous decision was made to move again - to Common Ground, a Mennonite hall used by homeless vets as a "crash pad," on 77th Terrace. This time a vote was taken to exclude anyone but regional coordinators and members the national office. The rest of the members, even trusted leaders such as Randy Barnes and John Upton (who had earned their credibility in the mud and tears of Dewey Canvon III), were forced to wait outside on the grass, where messeng­ers brought frequent word of what was going on inside. According to Barnes, everybody knew that the discussion in that hall "was grounds for criminal indictment of conspiracy."

49 posted on 03/27/2004 10:46:36 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: BykrBayb
Notice that there is no W on the keyboard.
50 posted on 03/27/2004 10:46:40 AM PST by armymarinemom (Military Families Speak Out DOES NOT SPEAK for me)
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To: Sabertooth
What if - Nicosia is worried somebody will break into his home to steal the files. He puts out a story that some of the files have already been stolen. Does that dissuade Kerry's cronies from trying it? Just a thought.
51 posted on 03/27/2004 10:51:22 AM PST by BykrBayb (FReepers make algore regret inventing the Internet)
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To: Sabertooth
Those barking dogs ate his homework.
52 posted on 03/27/2004 10:56:36 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: armymarinemom
My favorite part was actually the disclaimer at the bottom. "We kind of figured this went without saying until we had to scrape our lawyer off the ceiling with a spatula." I'm thinking Jim Robinson would understand where they're coming from. lol
53 posted on 03/27/2004 10:57:03 AM PST by BykrBayb (FReepers make algore regret inventing the Internet)
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To: HarryCaul
If someone wanted to prevent the info in the files from seeing the light of day, they would have kept them or redacted them in the first place.
54 posted on 03/27/2004 10:59:55 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Sabertooth
Nicosia is a Kerry partisan.

However, he also came out to say that Kerry was not telling the truth about not being in KC and also not meeting Hubbard after their April appearance.

He seems to have an honest streak, even though he is a Kerry partisan.
55 posted on 03/27/2004 11:11:45 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Sabertooth
Those files have been shredded and burned. IMO
56 posted on 03/27/2004 11:34:14 AM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: Sabertooth
I'm trying to figure why this story has an impact on either side. Team Bush could have copies of these files as soon as they asked for them. Kerry has Hillary to provide him the same quick service. Only thing I see is obfuscation to cover something we may never know about. Or maybe it's just another Jason Blair situation that exists for no other reason than to provide grist for the RAT mill.
57 posted on 03/27/2004 11:36:35 AM PST by mountainfolk ((Fox is back on track))
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping. Nicosia's story sounds very fishy to me, too. If I were investigating this, as part of routine procedure I'd put Nicosia on the list of suspects to be ruled out, and the holes in his story make him seem increasingly suspicious to me. For instance Nicosia's speculation as to motive makes no sense:

"Whoever did this wanted to know something about John Kerry," Nicosia said.

Now who would fit Nicosia's description of such a suspect? I can't think of anyone who fits. If the Bush campaign wanted the information in those files, they could obtain it legitimately. Hillary Clinton--Kerry's only other major political rival at this point--would have Kerry's files already. If Kerry wanted his own files he could do an FOIA on them and get them legitimately; and besides that, Nicosia claims he was going to give Kerry the files to review later, anyway. So there is no motive for anyone who wants to know something about Kerry to steal these files. A motive that is more intuitively obvious and makes more sense is that someone wanted to conceal information about Kerry by stealing the files. But instead of entertaining this intuitively-obvious motive, Nicosia's response is to point the finger towards a hypothetical suspect who "wanted to know something about John Kerry". Nicosia's voicing of such counter-intuitive theorizing to the press points the finger of suspicion back towards himself as either the perpetrator of a staged theft or complicit in a staged theft, IMO.

Add to that the lack of evidence of forced entry, which again points to Nicosia as a suspect. Nicosia appears to have anticipated being questioned about this--or to have already been questioned about this by the police--for he tells the press:

"The police told me that burglars very easily could have come in through a sliding door without signs of a forced entry," he said.

Did the police really say that or believe it? Or did Nicosia himself come up with that explanation in anticipation of the police and the press questioning why there were no signs of forced entry? The more Nicosia talks, the more he sounds to me like someone trying to sell a pre-concocted alibi. My top guesses would be that either he's concealing the files on Kerry's behalf or he's doing this as a publicity stunt--the latter scenario having several possible variations depending on where Nicosia's political allegiance lies, whether he's being bribed or blackmailed, etc.

58 posted on 03/27/2004 12:19:11 PM PST by Fedora
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14 boxes of uncataloged documents and they knew which ones to take.;)
59 posted on 03/27/2004 1:23:56 PM PST by pepperhead
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To: Mo1
Boxes sitting in his kitchen. Yep, that's where I'd keep those files. /sarcasm
60 posted on 03/27/2004 2:54:50 PM PST by sarasota
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