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Withholding Identity From a Law Officer: Your Right or Not?
Associated Press ^
| March 23, 2004
| Gina Holland
Posted on 03/23/2004 6:10:30 AM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: cinFLA
"Please post a source for your claims. You repeatedly ignore that request so I assume you have no source. Note that your posts are in conflict with the information provided by Mr. Hiibel. That doesn't concern you?"
Mr.Leroy, is that you?
401
posted on
03/24/2004 5:41:03 AM PST
by
CSM
(Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
To: cinFLA
hmmm. Arrest statistics for violent crimes. That statistic, by itself, doesn't mean there are more violent crimes occurring. It just shows that police are making more arrests. Increased police efficiency in solving crimes doesn't mean there are more crimes to solve.
402
posted on
03/24/2004 6:03:18 AM PST
by
Modernman
(Chthulu for President! Why Vote for the Lesser Evil?)
To: FreedomCalls
Put your glasses on. SHE bolted out of the car trying to run to the other cop and her father. The officer grabbed her as SHE exited the car. You are sick!
403
posted on
03/24/2004 6:44:02 AM PST
by
cinFLA
To: CSM
"Innocent until PROVEN guilty means nothing to jack boots like you!"You're confused, Militia Man.
Means everything to me; &, the discussion's not about me either, is it.
Beat cops enforce our law(s), when required are bound by law to make arrests for violations of the law(s) as they see fit.
Period.
That's what taxpayers pay 'em to do.
The determination of "innocence" or "guilt" of a subject's left to a Judge and/or jury.
Period.
Judge and/or jury find the subject's "innocent," they walk; moreover, depending on mitigating circumstance(s) there may be civil action brought by said subject against LEO for unjust arrest et al.
Judge and/or jury find the subject's "guilty" said subject faces sentencing per the laws written by you & I, the citizens to include jail time, fines, or both.
Those are the rules in this, our civil society.
Now what's so hard about that, babycakes?
BTW?
...your main spring's a tad tight, huh. :o)
404
posted on
03/24/2004 7:17:28 AM PST
by
Landru
(Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
To: cinFLA
Me: From the very beginning of the tape (when the officer
first pulls up)it appears his daughter is in the driver's
seat.
You: From Mr. Hiibel's brief it is stated that she was on
the passenger's side.
No, it is not. Go here:
http://washingtonpost.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/03-5554/03-5554.mer.pet.rep.pdf I would have cut and paste the pertinent section, but
it's a darn pdf file. Top of page five is where to look.
The gist is Hiibel states she was driving and the jury,
arresting trooper and JP never found otherwise. I have read
where his daughter also claims she was drivng, but sorry, I
don't have a link for that.
And if you take a close, unbiased look at the large version
of the tape, paying particular attention to the drivers area
when the trooper first pulls up - there is movement in the
cab there.
To: cinFLA
Please post a source for your claims. You repeatedly ignore that request so I assume you have no source. Note that your posts are in conflict with the information provided by Mr. Hiibel. That doesn't concern you? Google up "Hiibel" and "witness," and it gets even more interesting: Some press accounts say the cop talked to a witness near the scene. Some say an anonymous witness called in.
Which was it? Or maybe this phantom witness never existed.
406
posted on
03/24/2004 8:06:44 AM PST
by
eno_
(Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
To: green iguana
PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIRORARI Page 4
"Mr. Hiibel's minor daughter was in the passenger side of the truck."
407
posted on
03/24/2004 8:12:03 AM PST
by
cinFLA
To: green iguana
You: From Mr. Hiibel's brief it is stated that she was on the passenger's side. No, it is not. Go here:
See my post - page 4 or writ.
408
posted on
03/24/2004 8:13:53 AM PST
by
cinFLA
To: eno_; cinFLA
To: JackRyanCIA
Many cops love to hustle people. Makes them feel powerful.Too bad. Do you think you are ever going to live in a perfect world ? The police have a right to know who you are in the performance of their duties.
410
posted on
03/24/2004 8:18:21 AM PST
by
BSunday
To: wallcrawlr
Justice Antonin Scalia, however, expressed doubts. He said officers faced with suspicious people need authority to get the facts. "I cannot imagine any responsible citizen would have objected to giving the name," Scalia said. Neither can I.
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posted on
03/24/2004 8:20:50 AM PST
by
BSunday
To: cuz_it_aint_their_money
Sorry, it's not a tomato, tomahto kind of thing. The right to remain silent derives from the 5th amendment privilege against self incrimination. Look it up. It's very basic stuff.
412
posted on
03/24/2004 8:21:47 AM PST
by
Defiant
(The sane in Spain are mainly on the wane.)
To: GreatEconomy; cinFLA
I do not believe you when you say you are not involved in this case. You are way too emotional for that to make sense. No, that's just the way cinFLA is, I think he must eat poorly or something. Check out his other posts (particularly the WOD threads) and you'll see what I mean.
To: green iguana
Check out GE's other posts! Seems he has a penchant for entering threads and getting people riled. The last other thread he was on he left calling the guy a jerk. He reaps what he sows.
Go back and read his posts on this thread and see that they all are attacks. He is the number one on this thread for personal attacks.
414
posted on
03/24/2004 8:25:00 AM PST
by
cinFLA
To: American_Centurion
Something has changed in the training that manifests itself in the LEO being a A-hole. Probably has something to do with the fact that half the people they meet are smart-@ss morons who refuse to even give you their name and the other half are paranoid conspiracy theorists who defend aforementioned smart @sses
415
posted on
03/24/2004 8:26:02 AM PST
by
BSunday
To: BSunday
Typical.
It has to be the other 275,000,000 people in this country.
416
posted on
03/24/2004 8:30:07 AM PST
by
American_Centurion
(Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
To: Defiant
The right to remain silent derives from the 5th amendment privilege against self incrimination. What does giving your name have to do with self-incrimination ???
417
posted on
03/24/2004 8:30:35 AM PST
by
BSunday
To: green iguana
(From your link) STATEMENT OF THE CASE On May 21, 2000 Humboldt County Deputy Sheriff Lee Dove received a call from the Humboldt County Sheriff s Dispatch. Deputy Dove was informed that an individual called and stated he had observed a man hit a woman inside a red and silver GMC truck on Grass Valley Road in Humboldt County, Nevada. Deputy Dove drove his patrol vehicle south on Grass Valley Road and stopped his vehicle near the intersection of Thomas Canyon and Grass Valley Road. He had a brief conversation with the reporting person, Mr. Riddley. Mr. Riddley informed Deputy Dove that he was the person who made the call and pointed in a direction down the road where the vehicle was located. (App. 9). Deputy Dove then drove further south on Grass Valley Road where he observed a red and silver GMC truck pulled off to the side of the road. He noticed skid marks in the gravel, leading Deputy Dove to believe that the truck had been pulled off the road in a fast and aggressive manner. When Deputy Dove got out of his vehicle he saw a male, Larry Dudley Hiibel, (hereinafter referred to as Hiibel) standing outside the truck. Due to Hiibels mannerisms while standing outside the truck, Deputy Dove believed Hiibel was intoxicated. (App. 9-10, 16-17).
418
posted on
03/24/2004 8:32:44 AM PST
by
cinFLA
To: eno_
Which was it?See my #418. The witness both called in AND talked to the officer.
419
posted on
03/24/2004 8:35:14 AM PST
by
cinFLA
To: BSunday
What does giving your name have to do with self-incrimination ??? According the the Hiibel brief, it may mean that if they can identify you as a repeat offender then you may get a longer sentence therefore it is up to the prosecuter to identify the person.
420
posted on
03/24/2004 8:38:09 AM PST
by
cinFLA
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