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YASSIN EMBRACED AS MARTYR BY ARAFAT, MUCH LIKE JOGGER KHOURI
IMAR ^ | 3-21-04 | Michael Widlanski

Posted on 03/22/2004 4:44:03 AM PST by SJackson

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To: SJackson
Yo, Greasy Ringo! You're next.


21 posted on 03/22/2004 11:04:02 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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To: detsaoT
I'm not saying the poor kid deserved to die or anything, but I wonder if it caused the father to reconsider the support he has been giving to the terrorists over in the PLO... I seriously doubt it - he will probably be more anti-Israel than ever before. After all, Ariel Sharon must've personally pulled that trigger, right?

His father was killed in a terrorist attack in the mid 1970s. If his father's death didn't direct him into a different line of work, it's unlikely his son's death will.

22 posted on 03/22/2004 11:09:14 AM PST by SJackson (If there were not groups like the VVAW in the US... we would have lost the war--Gen Giap memoirs)
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To: SJackson
His father was killed in a terrorist attack in the mid 1970s. If his father's death didn't direct him into a different line of work, it's unlikely his son's death will.

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that little factoid. I reckon there weren't really any lessons in this episode, then.

23 posted on 03/22/2004 11:47:42 AM PST by detsaoT (insert hot-button issue here.)
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To: LibFreeUSA
For someone who wants no liberals, you have bought into their revision.

I think that this was a 'dumb' move. Not sure how this takes them one step closer to eliminating the problem. It will only make more terrorists out of that rat hole over there.
What are they going to do? Kill Israeli civilians and political leaders? Kidnap soldiers and torture them to death? Would they call for genocide? Would they attack Jewish targets oversees? They will do all these things. However, they already do these things!

I don't think that Sharon is all the bright. He's the one who got them in the mess in Lebanon, by invading all the way to Beirut.
1. Had Sharon not been stopped by the US, the PLO would have been destroyed and Lebanon freed from Syria.
2. Sharon led divisions in 1967 and 1973 that encircled and destroyed Egyptian armies. He is one of the best armor generals in the last century.

Sharon was also the one to ignite the most recent debacle facing Israel when he led that march onto that holy place in Jerusalem.
The first attacks occured before Sharon got PLO permission to go to the Temple Mount.

This 'assasination' only points to their lack of any credible military option on the table, which is what they should be considering.
I agree. Expell all of Gaza to Egypt.

24 posted on 03/22/2004 6:31:24 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: rmlew
-"For someone who wants no liberals, you have bought into their revision."

Don't be so quick to jump to such a stretch. I'm on your side on the important issue (eliminating them). My only objection is one of 'tactic' not on 'objective'.

It seems like such a 'pin-prick' move, more of the 'tit-for-tat' tactic they've been doing against these terrorists, doing nothing more than getting them more riled up, when they should be taking a more 'total war' against the entire Palestinian terrorist command structure, i.e, the entire Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Alhksa Martyrs, etc..., a total daily attack against them, dawn to dusk and thru the night until they have the entire structure eliminated.

25 posted on 03/23/2004 9:38:14 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
"It seems like such a 'pin-prick' move"

I don't know...I think this Yassin guy was a pretty important terrorist, which makes it a lot more than pin prick.

26 posted on 03/23/2004 9:43:04 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: SJackson
One thing that Arafat and all the rest of these people get wrong:

It's not the terrorists who are martyrs, the terrorists are jsut thugs, just members of an entire culture that is mentally ill.
The real martyrs are the innocents that they kill, whether Israelis on a bus, or Americans in New York City.
27 posted on 03/23/2004 9:47:00 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Totally agree!
28 posted on 03/23/2004 12:13:19 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: Sam Cree; rmlew
my quote: "It seems like such a 'pin-prick' move"

your quote: "I don't know...I think this Yassin guy was a pretty important terrorist, which makes it a lot more than pin prick."

I am VINDICATED!

Here is a new post/article exactly CONFIRMING what the point I was trying to make...

"When will Israel launch an "Operation End Of Story"? When will enough Jews have been killed to justify militarily defeating the likes of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al-Aqsa Brigades?"

"The kind of pinpoint, nitpick response the cabinet approved following Ashdod is not a whole lot better than the nothing the PA was doing. The terrorists are still there, still operating, still plotting the slaughter of Israel's Jews.

Just posted HERE

29 posted on 03/23/2004 12:25:30 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
"they should be taking a more 'total war' against the entire Palestinian terrorist command structure, i.e, the entire Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Alhksa Martyrs, etc..., a total daily attack against them, dawn to dusk and thru the night until they have the entire structure eliminated."

Yeah, I think I agree with this. Would the Israelis have already done it if we hadn't held them back all these years? If they had, would we be having a problem with Al Qaeda today I wonder. I think we wouldn't. If one group is allowed to survive, then another can also take life.

My impression is that GW himself wants to pretty much treat the terrorists as you describe, but he seems to want Israel to hold back a little. Although that is maybe just what he shows for public consumption.

Meanwhile the Left, and even some on the Right, seem to think you can separate the terror groups, go after just Al Qaeda for instance, and not worry so much about the ones that aren't bothering us. Which is very wrong, IMO, let one live and it lets the others know that terrorism can work. Not to mention that all the Islamic terrorists are cut from the same bolt of cloth anyway, and are brothers in arms, so to speak. If one group is allowed to survive, others will also spring up and take life. When you want to stamp out a disease, you get it all, not just one case of it.

The truth is, I think, that we have allowed the existence of terror in order to stay on the good side of the oil producing monarchies, elements of which either sympathize with the terrorists or are willing to finance them in an attempt at appeasement. The whole thing is an exercise in folly and corruption.

30 posted on 03/23/2004 12:43:16 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: LibFreeUSA
LibFree, I regret to admit not having read your entire post. My apologies. I have read it now and mostly agree. Responded with #30.

Although I still believe getting Yassin is pretty major, it wouldn't mean much by itself, as you point out, only as part of something much bigger.
31 posted on 03/23/2004 12:47:02 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
With the way Europe is behaving (Spain caving in), I'm not so sure that it matters much now to have them enlisted on the WOT, in terms of them being 'supportive' to any/all further aggressive actions against terrorists (i.e, by USA and Israel). After all, any lack of 'in-action' or passivity on their part (Europe), will put them at more direct risk to these terrorists. So, post-Madrid, they now have more at stake in this battle, whether they like it or not.

This all means, therefore, that the U.S. and Israel should be free to act as they see fit - no longer needing 'world opinion' to support their right of self-defense in this global war. If they choose not to 'cooperate' with us, they do so at their own peril of being held hostage to these fanatics. Therefore, in the long run, they have no choice but to cooperate with us.
32 posted on 03/23/2004 6:34:33 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
"This all means, therefore, that the U.S. and Israel should be free to act as they see fit - no longer needing 'world opinion' to support their right of self-defense in this global war."

Yeah, doing nothing, I think, is a choice as well. One that's guaranteed to keep us in danger. Not sure if the Europeans don't see this or don't care, or are just sticking their heads in the sand.

33 posted on 03/23/2004 9:52:06 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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