KERRY RETREATS FROM HIS DENIAL ON VIETNAM MEET - Evidence Puts Him At Kansas Parley

New York Sun ^ | Mar 19, 2004 | JOSH GERSTEIN

[Torie]

Thanks. I think that is a wrap.

[Torie]

John, regarding the Kerry campaign "statement," is anyone on the planet going to believe this crap? I only slightly younger then Kerry, and my memory is fading, but I think I would remember attending a meeting that involved having on the table the matter of the mass murder of US senators. At least I think I would. But that's just me.

Of course, if it doesn't work out, Kerry can say it is not his words, and issue some new ones.

[John Thornton]

Just for curiosity, I am still trying to figure out what uniform he wears in all of those old photos. Is that a Navy uniform of any sort?

[jwalsh07]

I'm thinking Kerry has reached a tipping point with the media and the party bosses. If the mainstream media goes after him on this, Kerry will never be the nominee.

[Torie]

I'm thinking the same thing. It cannot stand. Any of it. It is monstrous to think such a person could be president of the US. Monstrous.

[jwalsh07]

Do you suppose certain parties knew about this from the beginning? Certain parties with strong ties to the anti-war movement?

I hate being a tin foil hat guy but I can't believe that people didn't know this stuff. I knew all about Kerry and VVAW.

[Torie]

Well, I don't think Kerry's opponents knew, or it would have leaked. But the mainstream press, or some of the reporters, probably knew, and maybe in their little bubble, they did not think it relevant. But I doubt that they knew that Kerry claimed a non existence conveniently early and timely resignation. It is all a mystery frankly. But I don't see how Kerry can wiggle out of his lies. Of course I don't like liars, but the problem with liars beyond their dishonesty, is that they are cowardly. They lack the self confidence to just say I screwed up, big time, and be eloquent about it.

To muse a bit: cowardly liars covering up their past in public life I think, don't understand the generousity of the American people with repentent sinners. But then, they don't understand Americans of faith very well, or those without faith, which are in tune with certain values shared by those of faith, and nurtured by those of faith, and to whom they owe a debt to those of faith.

I'm rambling.

[jwalsh07]

Yeah, but I understand your ramblings.

I don't see how Kerry survives this. It is way worse than Clintons impeachment thing, way worse.

VVAW members had ties to the Panthers. There's more here than has yet to meet the eye.

[Howlin]

It is monstrous to think such a person could be president of the US.

Man, if you think that, he is done.

[Texasforever]

Man, if you think that, he is done

LOL. That is as close to a real rant as I have ever seen from Torie.

[Torie]

LOL, and thanks. I call them as I see them, as honestly as I can, and try to do so without undue partisanship. In this case, the facts as we know them so far dictated a "rant" in my mind. But of course, I don't think I am a typical voter. We shall see.

[Texasforever]

It is an amazing story to add to the puzzle of John Kerry. It really highlights the problem the Dems have. They were so focused on getting the primaries out of the way they didn't have a vetted candidate after Dean and Clark imploded. When it came down to Edwards and Kerry they appear to have panicked and went for "experience". Experience is a two edged sword in politics.

[ConservativeMan55]

bttt

[ChadGore]

I heard he left the meeting before he went to the meeting. lol !!

[Howlin]

That's exactly what I meant. You are fairer than most of us.

[onyx]

You're not a "typical" anything.
That's why you're treasured here.

[philetus]

The only "atrocities" I recall in Viet Nam, was when our first Sergent and the mess sergent got drunk together one night.

They got mad at each other and went and got their 16's.

The mess sergent shot himself between the second and third toes of his left foot.

[Torie]

Thanks. I'm embarrassed a bit by such effusive praise. I have my flaws.

[kabar]

VVAW members had ties to the Panthers. There's more here than has yet to meet the eye.

The VVAW, including Kerry, went to Paris in 1971 and met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegations. Kerry returned to the US and advocated the enemies' positions on reaching an end to the war. He admitted to his meeting in his sworn testimony before Congress.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!