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Ranching On The Front Lines (Diamond Bar update)
Eco-Logic Powerhouse ^ | 03-17-04 | Laura Schneberger

Posted on 03/17/2004 7:49:12 PM PST by NMC EXP

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The US Forest Service rounded up Laney's cattle over the last few days and penned them up. The cows are calving at this time. Many of the new calves could not keep up and were left behind in the mountains.

Laney tried to turn the cows loose so they could find their calves. Four armed USFS agents claimed Laney attacked them.

Laney is in jail.

A federal judge denied his bond request.

Only in Amerika.

1 posted on 03/17/2004 7:49:12 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: robertpaulsen
Kit Laney/property rights FYI.
2 posted on 03/17/2004 7:50:49 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP
This is pathetic. The problem is most judges see their office as a "reward" and an end in itself. There is nothing left to do but to just sign things, not research and understand them as the duties of the office was originally concieved.

Sad.
3 posted on 03/17/2004 8:11:31 PM PST by JSteff
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To: farmfriend
ping
4 posted on 03/17/2004 9:38:31 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Issaquahking; Jeff Head
Heads up.
5 posted on 03/17/2004 9:59:59 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: NMC EXP
I hope you're not expecting me to comment on this case.
6 posted on 03/18/2004 8:19:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I meant to flag the other robert paulsen (#2).

Your evil twin?

Please feel free to comment anyway.

I am curious about why you think I would not be interested in your input on this case.

Regards

J.R.
7 posted on 03/18/2004 7:33:50 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ..
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
8 posted on 03/18/2004 7:43:03 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
The rural cleansing continues unabated even with a republican president in charge.

Agenda 21 and the Wildlands Project trump the Constitution again (or is it still?).

Regards

J.R.
9 posted on 03/18/2004 8:01:35 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP
Don't you understand the "R" behind the name is what is important. /sarcasm
10 posted on 03/18/2004 8:03:53 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
Pretty soon it's going to be R stands for Run, just the way D stands for Dumb now.
11 posted on 03/18/2004 8:24:10 PM PST by B4Ranch (Most men and nations die, lying down.)
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To: B4Ranch
Ain't that the truth!
12 posted on 03/18/2004 8:27:40 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: NMC EXP; farmfriend
Bump and Bookmark. This is a good synopsis of the Diamond Bar Ranch debacle.
13 posted on 03/19/2004 3:34:02 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!!
14 posted on 03/19/2004 5:28:36 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: NMC EXP
"I am curious about why you think I would not be interested in your input on this case."

I would think you would want an informed opinion. Mine would not be one of those.

15 posted on 03/19/2004 6:21:15 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: NMC EXP
Thanks for your support in keeping everyone informed about what's going on with my family's ranch. We really do need more concerned citizens like you!

As of last Thursday (March 18) anywhere between 90 some head and 200 and some head of Diamond Bar, KIT and SS branded cattle have been rounded up and contained, depending on which FS personnel you are talking to. According to Zeno Kiehne, Editor of The Messenger newspaper headquartered in Reserve, NM, who was allowed into the contained area the cattle are being held in, there are at least 3 tight bagged cows (which means the personnel left at least 3 calves out on the ranch somewhere, where they have most likely falled prey to either coyotes or wolves which are running loose over there) and one dogie calf, who is surviving by stealing milk from whichever cows will let it. FS Range Staff employee Steve Libby, was acting like he'd really done something great, showing off 3 new calves that had been born since the containment, like he was the owner or something, Kiehne reported.

I talked to my husband, Kit Laney's brother, who is over there at this time, he said Kit is still in jail, and they "should" have a hearing tomorrow concerning his release. The bad thing is that even if he's released, he won't be allowed to go home, or even anywhere around the ranch until the cattle, rustlers and everyone is gone from there. We've heard that Bob Jones from Otero County, was able to get custody of Kit until he is allowed to return home. Kit's parents and his eldest brother all tried to get custody, but the FS wants him further out of the country than Luna.

Yesterday, March 20, two sisters of Sherry Farr (Kit's ex-wife and partner in the Diamond Bar) were allowed to go see the cattle (strange how the FS let the sisters see the cattle, but won't let the owners near them?). While they were there, they planned to take pictures of the license plates on vehicles, but there was a folding chair over each license plate, effectively blocking them from view. Recently, a license number from one of the contractor pickups was run, and it came back as belonging to a Jeep from Albuquerque. The contractor is from Espanola or El Rito. So are they using bogus license plates to mislead everyone, or what is the main purpose of this do you think?

The really unbelievable part of this is that the stories the FS is telling (yea, there are at least 2 versions going around) are completely different than Kit's story of the same incident. The officer that testified at the arraignment wasn't even there when it happened, so it's just hearsay that he testified to. How's that for our justice system?

Kit is currently being charged with assault on a federal officer, assault with a deadly weapon (get this, the deadly weapon they are referring to is a horse.......), resisting arrest and failure to comply with a court order. I'm not sure how many of those charges they'll be able to make stick, but I hope the Judge will see through the lies and dismiss them all......time will tell. One of the FS employees that was in on the incident, however, had been heard to comment that he "wanted to see Kit Laney in chains". He got his wish at Kit's arraignment, when they brought him into the courtroom in leg irons, handcuffs, the whole nine yards. To add insult to injury, they had him dressed in a green jumpsuit, green being the color of the FS uniforms........makes me just want to throw up to think about it!

What gets really good is that the MOU (Memorandum Of Understanding) that was signed by Livestock Board Director, Daniel Manzanarez, (who incidentally, has the authority to pay bills and that's about all) was done behind the majority of the Livestock Board's backs. The Chairman of the Livestock Board, Bill King, told Manzanarez to sign the MOU with the FS. None of the other Board members were even aware of this until about 10 days later. The more we learn about what actually happened, it seems to point to the idea that this was actually ordered to happen by our own Governor, Bill Richardson.........it just gets better and better!

I won't be back for no telling how long, to update you on what actually happens, as our 13 year old son, Albert, and I are headed back to the ranch in the morning.

Thanks for letting me "vent" about all this stuff! You're a good group here, and I'm really glad I found this site!
16 posted on 03/21/2004 8:20:05 PM PST by Ranchwife ("You Just Can't See Him From The Road" Chris LeDoux)
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To: Ranchwife
My thoughts and prayers are with you guys.

I am in the midwest. All of my mothers people were farmers and cattlemen. I used to spend summers and some winters working the cattle. Pulling calves, dehorning, clamping, doctoring for pinkeye, hauling hay when its 20 below and chopping holes in the ice on the creek so they could drink.

Its a tough but good life.

Its a lot tougher when the feral government wants you gone and is willing to lie, cheat and steal to get it done.

You westerners are on the front lines on this and are bleeding first.

But it is happening around here too.

In the midwest the drive to implement the Wildlands Project centers on the rivers.....and the watersheds which feed them. For instance the Mississippi watershed encompasses half the US and is subject to eventual regulation and control to save the river.

I am a property rights fanatic. I listen to the Derry Brownfield talk show and he has been giving regular updates on this and similar situations.

Tell your family to take heart, and take care.

Best regards.

Jim
17 posted on 03/22/2004 7:15:56 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: farmfriend
Update on the Kit Laney situation:

Either the contractors hired by the USFS to gather the Laney cattle are too lazy to close gates or the USFS wants to twist the knife a little more.

Anyway, the Laney's saddle horses got loose somehow. The USFS rounded them up, claimed the horses were tresspassing on federal land and offered to give them back to the family.


But it will cost he Laneys $650 per horse to cover all the work the USFS had to do to catch the horses after the USFS turned them loose.

The fedgov must be learning from the ChiComs. When the PRC executes a prisoner they bill the next of kin for the cost of the cartridge used to shoot him in the back of the head.

Regards

J.R.
18 posted on 03/29/2004 6:33:37 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ..
Sorry for the late ping.

Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

19 posted on 03/30/2004 7:31:26 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
BTT!!!!!!
20 posted on 03/31/2004 3:08:55 AM PST by E.G.C.
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