Schwarzenegger, Cedillo "working hard together" to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens

translation by KFI radio (Los Angeles) ^ | 3/17/04 | Los Angeles RadioVisa

[lonewacko_dot_com]

"So why aren't you asking people to write to Cedillo -- HE is the one pushing this, NOT Arnold!"

Like the next comment says, calling Arnold and letting him know what you think can't hurt, and might help.

"It's pathetic that you are attacking Arnold, and NOT Cedillo."

Nothing you or I say would have any effect on Cedillo. Arnold is hopefully different.

[FairOpinion]

The title itself shows bias.

Since this is a tranlation of a radio show, there was not title.

The correct/proper title would have been: "Interview with Cedillo re. licenses, etc.". Or "Cedillo "alleges" he is working with Arnold, etc."

Instead, the title states is as FACT that Arnold is working hard with Cedillo for the purpose of giving drivers licenses to illegals.

[heleny]

I thought Arnold had run against this.

Not exactly. He ran against SB60, but SB1160 is slightly different. As some have suggested, we should give him the benefit of the doubt for not commenting on this piece of pending legislation, but we still have to be vigilant to ensure that he doesn't support it. One way, suggested earlier, is to contact his office to voice polite opposition; otherwise, his office will only hear from the illegal alien advocates demanding ID's/licenses.

His campaign position last fall is still on his campaign website, (incorrectly labelled Proposition 60, which will appear on the ballot this fall).

What is your position on allowing undocumented immigrants to hold California driver's licenses?

SB 60 is not the answer to providing undocumented immigrants with California Driver's licenses; this bill was rushed through the Legislature without addressing law enforcement concerns or Federal guidelines regarding the use of Taxpayer Identification Numbers. SB 60 was stripped of a biometrics feature that would allow for the gathering and comparison of fingerprints. Without this, it effectively eliminates any safeguards to prevent the issuance of multiple licenses. In addition, District Attorneys and Prosecutors have expressed concerned that because fingerprint records and other information will not be shared with other agencies, potentially 2 million non-citizens could be called for jury duty. Not only could this overwhelm our court system, but it creates an atmosphere where unsuspecting immigrants could commit a felony by serving on jury. Governor Davis and Cruz Bustamante are playing politics with this critical issue. I want to solve this problem not create a larger one

[jocko12]

ARNIE HAS THE VETO POWER AND I HAVE THE RECALL POWER.

[dagnabbit]

I just don't understand why so many people are against giving driver's licenses to non-citizens.

Wrong question.

The correct question is whether States should issue DLs to illegal aliens. They shouldn't. DLs facilitate the unlawful residence and employment of illegal aliens.

[kellynla]

"You don't realize the whole story. The California State Supreme Court ruled that a driver's license is de facto proof of citizenship. (Perkey vs. DMV 1985"

Oh, I understand completely!
And I also understand that if CA issues driver's licenses to illegal aliens that other states have already stated that they will not honor CA driver's licenses which means if you get pulled over in another state with a CA driver's license you may get arrested, jailed and may even get your vehicle impounded.
Maybe you can explain it to our illustrious governor!!!

The Terminator Boy campaigns against driver's licenses for illegal aliens and now is trying to renege on that campaign promise!!! I AM FED UP WITH ALL THE BS! PERIOD!

[heleny]

I think we should give licenses to non-citizens.

We already do.

We give licenses (and CA ID's) to legal aliens -- both residient and nonresident. We also honor foreign licenses. Past bills by Cedillo (SB60, AB60) were specifically for illegal aliens, and SB1160 is no different. Cedillo's bill has nothing to do with legal aliens.

It helps us keep track of them,

I don't know if they share address information with the USCIS (formerly called INS). Once you get a CA ID card, you are not required to update your address if you move, and it certainly won't update itself!

it encourages them to get insurance, all of which help us as a country.

Insurance and licensing are separate issues, since insurance is for the car but licensing is for the driver. Also, state ID cards have nothing to do with driving or insurance.

Some illegal aliens already drive without a license or insurance. Why would they buy insurance if they feel they don't need it now?

[supercat]

As a conservative republican and a christian, I just don't understand why so many people are against giving driver's licenses to non-citizens. I went to live in Europe to study, and i got a driver's license in several countries.

Did you use the license as your primary ID, or did you use your passport? Would citizens of the countries you visited use drivers' licenses as primary ID, or would they use something else? If the drivers' licenses were primary ID's, was there anything thereon to identify citizenship or lack thereof?

[heleny]

Instead, the title states is as FACT that Arnold is working hard with Cedillo for the purpose of giving drivers licenses to illegals.

There are quotes around "working hard together," which indicate that it's something that someone [Cedillo] said.

[heleny]

If the drivers' licenses were primary ID's, was there anything thereon to identify citizenship or lack thereof?

Foreign students in CA can get ID cards and licenses that are identical to ours. The expiration date (based on one's birthdate) is not dependent on the expiration of their I-94 form, F-1 visa, or J-1 visa, either.

If they do not have permission to work, they do not have SSN's, and therefore do not need the number when they apply for ID cards or licenses.

[dougherty]

Any plans to recall Arnold? He deserves it almost as much as Davis.

[heleny]

The Terminator Boy campaigns against driver's licenses for illegal aliens

Not exactly. He said "SB 60 is not the answer to providing undocumented immigrants with California Driver's licenses...."

He said SB60 had no security provisions.

and now is trying to renege on that campaign promise

Not really. He said SB60 wasn't the solution, and so it's not. Perhaps SB1160 could be his solution, if it includes enough safeguards to satisfy him, but he didn't say anything about future bills to give licenses/ID's to illegal aliens.

[Travis McGee]

Mr. Medina: I just want to say one thing. I want to clarify something. Someone, who may face this problem, this is just in anticipation, someone who is asking for their driver's license and who has a criminal record in Mexico or China.What will happen then?

Senator Cedillo: We will have an agreement between Mexico, California, Bill Lockyer, [and] the police. We will have a verification process. It is possible that we will use the same system that is used to issue the Consular IDs.

Traitor alert. CW2 Ping.

[null and void]

As a conservative republican and a christian, I just don't understand why so many people are against giving driver's licenses to non-citizens.

Simple. California has a "motor voter law". This means you can register to vote at the DMV, using ONLY your driver license as ID. The potential for abuse is unlimited, especially since MeCHA and several other organizations have vowed to take Azlan back for Mexico (Which never owned the southwest, although Spain did, at one time)...

[kellynla]

Well we all know what this is about. This BS about screening immigrants for driver's licenses is hogwash.
If an immigrant is here legally and they don't already have a driver's license from their own country, they can certainly apply for a driver's license. If they are here illegally they cannot. It is not rocket science.

So Ahnold can dance around this issue all he wants but if he signs a bill to allow illegal aliens the PRIVILEDGE of a CA driver's license he can pack up his Humvee and head for LA 'cause a recall petition will be at the printer's before he sits down for dinner. And you can take that to the bank.

[expatpat]

I don't have a problem with illegals having non-citizen-distinguishable licenses. Otherwise, they can vote and serve on juries, among other things.

Remember, you were in those countries LEGALLY, these people are already breaking our laws by being here illegally. Many citizens believe it is wrong to give official recognition to them since they are law-breakers.

[expatpat]

lso see post #20 right after yours.

[expatpat]

I can't speak for CA, but most states require you to notify DMV of any change in address.

[philetus]

Just think, when they do their drive-bys, rob the 7-11's, and break in peoples homes, they'll be driving legally.

[archy]

Traitor alert. CW2 Ping

Most definately!

There were Swedes to the left of him
Russians to the right
A Czech at the blue line looking for a fight
Brains over brawn--that might work for you
But what's a Canadian farm boy to do? [Hit somebody!]
What else can a farm boy from Canada do? [Hit somebody!]
But what's a Canadian farm boy to do? [Hit somebody!]
What else can a farm boy from Canada do?