Posted on 03/15/2004 9:23:30 PM PST by Barnacle
You know what I think? I think taking on the Most Contentious issue in the country, an issue that the liberals and the press can use to decimate a person's character for the rest of their life, is a sign of Great Strength no matter what their previous position may have been.
And since when is being against "Illegal Immigration" equate to being "Anti-Immigration"? Are you one of those Open Border RINOs that can't distinguish between Legal and Illegal?
So are you referring to abortion, where Oberweis compared pro-lifers to the Taliban? That was certainly courageous of him, and won him a great deal of adulation from his friends in the liberal press.
Just curious.
And no, I don't think Taliban Jim "The Mexicans are coming to get you" Oberweis is merely distinguishing between legals and illegals.
You seem consumed with heaping as much dirt as you can on Oberweis. Here it what Jim Oberweis said in response to that smear:
In a Illinois Leader Interview he explained his "Media Gone Wild" Statement......
IL: I have some questions that have been circulating, and ones to which you deserve the opportunity to respond. It goes back to this comment, the so-called “Taliban” comment that suggested prolifers were like the Taliban on a radio show. Did you say this?
OBERWEIS: Absolutely false. That is not what happened. That is what I was referring to earlier, when I said I started with the statement, “I am prolife . . .” and mentioned the Taliban as my concern about government expressing too large of a role in our lives. So, you know, I’ve answered that a dozen times, or more than that.
IL: So you’re saying it was pulled out of context, at a very volatile time, when it would have been interpreted as the ultimate insult. . .
OBERWEIS: I will tell you that the chain of events was started when the quote was sent to the New York Catholic League. They believed what they were told - which was not accurate. When I explained what had happened, they sent a letter back saying that they found it to be very open and forthright, characteristics that would go a long way to the U.S. Senate. Of course, those comments got printed on page 16 of the paper.
IL: Are you Catholic?
OBERWEIS: Yes.
And no, I don't think Taliban Jim "The Mexicans are coming to get you" Oberweis is merely distinguishing between legals and illegals.
Just because you can't distinguish between Legal and Illegal Immigrants don't project that unto Jim. Like I said, it is Childish.
And as I've previously posted in the 'Illinois Room', if Ryan does win, I will NOT vote for him in November - period.
1) I don't trust him, he's smarmy
2) He'll have ZERO chance of winning the general election because the IDIOT SHEEPLE think every 'Ryan' is that SOB, George - they're morons! It happened with 'Jim', it'll happen to Jack. And I don't like wasting my vote.
BTW, for some odd reason there wasn't anyone running for Republican Committeeman in my district, so I wrote myself in. Now If I can can get ONE more vote I'll probably win! (and If I would have known that going in I would have had my daughter write me in)
I voted for Raushenberger simply because of his 2nd Amendment views.
Yea, I'm a one issue voter.
L
While living in his senatorial district, I called him once about concealed carry. He said, "Gun owners have no better friend in Springfield."
He was right.
When the rapidly expanding Hispanic Contingent reaches critical mass in America (and it’s getting close) because of unrestrained Illegal Immigration, you can kiss the 2nd Amendment goodbye in all its parts--along with the rest of conservatism.
Those that support and/or encourage this invasion cannot be trusted on anything. If a state senator can be twisted to vote for something as outrageous as in-state college tuition subsidies for Illegal Aliens on the taxpayers' dime (which I guarantee you the people in his district were 100% against) what other principles will Rauschy compromise on?
Why can't you understand this?
Watch Rauschy go native in the Beltway if he wins.
It's not that I don't understand. It's that I disagree (respectfully of course).
A Happy St.Patrick's day to you.
And A Happy St.Patrick's Day to you as well Barnacle!
No, REALLY? I had NO idea.
"Now maybe I mis-read your post, but if I didn't, I hope your DON'T VOTE today.
Yes, you mis-read my post, BIG TIME, and I hope you can read a ballot better than you can read a simple discussion thread.
I'm really sorry to belabor this, but I NEVER SAID anyone is going to think George Ryan himself is seeking the US Senate seat. All I'm saying is that there are far too many registered voters who think that an election is something that's held every four years, and that's when you get to decide who the president is. They don't start paying attention till mid October, and so that means they watch the commercials, listen to their girlfriends at the kids' soccer practice, and then see what Oprah has to say. They generally don't know the difference between a senator and a congressman. Oh, sorry, congressperson.
If they arrive at their polling place even vaguely undecided, they punch the ballot on emotions, and somewhere back in their dense little brains is a vague memory of talk of "...Ryan...license-for-bribes..." or "...Ryan...bribes...." which stirs a negative EMOTION.
" To use a person's last name -- with no relation -- as a reason not to vote for them is an argument put forth by those in Jr. high school."
I don't disagree with you, but I'm afraid you give far too much credit to the average moron with a voters card. Far more will show up in November than two years ago, but look what happened then. What was so terrible about Jim Ryan? When did Illinois last elect a Democratic governor? (I'm only forty-six, so I don't quite remember.) When did we last elect a Democratic govorner when the trend nationwide was to discard the Dems and elect the Pubs (MA and MN come to mind, the rest I'd have to look up). What other explanation is there for Jim Ryan's loss?
"Grow up."
God gave you a brain. Please use it.
OK I will use it to help you use yours. Deal? ;^)
At first you say:
I'm really sorry to belabor this, but I NEVER SAID anyone is going to think George Ryan himself is seeking the US Senate seat.
Then in the very next paragraph you seem to contradict yourself by stating:
If they arrive at their polling place even vaguely undecided, they punch the ballot on emotions, and somewhere back in their dense little brains is a vague memory of talk of "...Ryan...license-for-bribes..." or "...Ryan...bribes...." which stirs a negative EMOTION.
It is my belief that what happened in the last election for Gov. will not apply in this election for Senate. Here is why. For one, all the stuff you described in your second paragraph was very "fresh" news while the election was going on. IMHO, it was the freshness of the news that did the MOST damage to Jim Ryan's chances. The two Ryans "competing" for headlines for the same office made it VERY difficult for Jim to get his message out. Could he have run a better campaign? Maybe, but he had a very tough hill to climb.
As for this election, the mixing of Ryans pertaining to the same office and the same news cycles no longer exist. It is based on this distinction that I postulated the following:
To use a person's last name -- with no relation -- as a reason not to vote for them is an argument put forth by those in Jr. high school.
What I failed to do was to make the competing for the same news cycle distinction stated above in writing. I wrongly assumed most people would have seen that distinction as part of the context of my argument. Now that I have "corrected" the contextual error, I think my statement in the proceeding paragraph holds water.
Finally, if the dims think that the name of Ryan is going to hand them a Senate seat, then they really are the stupid party that needs to grow up.
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