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Get Yer Ya-Yas Out [FR Moderating Gripe Thread]

Posted on 03/15/2004 11:01:45 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod

Edited on 03/15/2004 11:03:07 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Texas2step; Lead Moderator
I think there should be a rule about not clicking on abuse reports if one is in the SBR. That was a good thread but as I recall it came down to a few people flaming eachother.
1,321 posted on 03/16/2004 8:44:21 AM PST by cyborg (In die begin het God die hemel en die aarde geskape.)
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To: Howlin
I can go you one better (or worse). My lodge had a temporary attack of imbecility and decided we would sell - get this - light bulbs. Door to door.
1,322 posted on 03/16/2004 8:50:28 AM PST by Xenalyte ("Marsa Stert is a britch and and I sit on the exhange")
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To: Texas2step
If I were a mod I would automatically delete every thread whose title contained an error. Errors in titles cannot be excused! E.g., omitting spaces before and after parens is absolutely unforgivable 99 percent of the time.

To All: EDIT THOSE TITLES before posting, unless you prefer gump status.

EOM

1,323 posted on 03/16/2004 8:56:09 AM PST by Churchill Gomez
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To: Texas2step
No, the thread was an "action thread" with a call to action.

IMHO, activists should be prepared to respond intelligently to legitimate criticism of their position. Slogan-chanting mud-slinging and/or censoring of opposing views are boringly ineffective and counterproductive.

The moral of the story is to not pee on other peoples parades.

And people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Bush, Rove, Zoellick, Snow and Mankiw handed the 'Rats a legitimate issue on a silver platter.
It is irrelevant that Kerry's positions are equally pathetic and hypocritical.
Regardless of partisan label, candidates for public office need to be held accountable for their own position.
Shifting blame by pointing fingers at somebody else is a flimsy and untenable position.

1,324 posted on 03/16/2004 8:59:12 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Quix
We ALL already have an IGNORE BUTTON within us IF WE will use it.

I know, but sometimes it's just too tempting. Maybe I should give up debate for lent?

1,325 posted on 03/16/2004 9:02:11 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: Vernon
Taking specific action against an offender after being warned (I would suggest by FReep mail) or even a "Knock it Off," would seriously reduce the flame wars and number of abuse reports, many of which are simply ignored.

Yes, and if all else fails, you can fall back on Democrat Party tactics and scream racist in open forum :-)

1,326 posted on 03/16/2004 9:06:31 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: mhking; Lead Moderator
mhking may still want to maintain the ping list and alert those who want to be alerted that way. But I think it would be great to have those in one spot, whether it be a separate sidebar topic or whatever works. Thanks again for considering it.
1,327 posted on 03/16/2004 9:10:33 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Con Presidente Bush, vamos por buen camino.)
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To: MNLDS
mhking's ping business should be permanently suspended!
1,328 posted on 03/16/2004 9:17:39 AM PST by Churchill Gomez
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To: TheSpottedOwl
We all fall to that temptation on occasion, at least, it seems.

But we could grow in that disciplined use of it.

And, then there are those times when someone is REALLY acting like a turkey and

REALLY, honestly 'for their own growth'

and certainly for the sanity of the community if not of the responder,

THEY *NEED* A GOOD STIFF SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD WITH A HEFTY 2 X 4!

AT least, that's my rationalization!
1,329 posted on 03/16/2004 9:17:58 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Texasforever
I have seen Fred beating his chest to get me out in the open for a year now.

I think I can see why. About a week ago, while beating your chest, you admitted in open forum that you routinely, knowingly, hire illegal aliens. LOL!

1,330 posted on 03/16/2004 9:22:19 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Lead Moderator; Jim Robinson
It was backroomed, and the complaints still were piling in, until Jim got sick of it and pulled it.

You'll have to convince him, not me, on it if you want that one back. Thanks, LM


I've got no dog in this fight, as I didn't post a single comment to the thread in question. That said, I had bookmarked for later reading and now cannot read what was shaping up to be an interesting read.

Whether or not the pulled thread in question is ever available again, I do think that it's unwise to punish all for the actions of the few. What would be wrong with simply locking the thread to not receive further replies once it has gotten to a certain level of abusive posts?

That would effectively end the flame war and leave everyone's comments, stupid or otherwise, open for all to see. What do you gain by pulling that you couldn't get by locking? Pull posts ought to be saved for disruptors, trolls, and duplicates, not flame wars where one side effectively "gets their way".
1,331 posted on 03/16/2004 9:25:13 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: cyborg
I think there should be a rule about not clicking on abuse reports if one is in the SBR.

Let's go one step further...is there anyway to remove the abuse button from threads moved to the SBR? I thought that's why we have a SBR, was to allow flame wars to die natural deaths without burning everyone.
1,332 posted on 03/16/2004 9:27:32 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Willie Green
And people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Who's throwing stones? I suggested that your comment on that post had nothing to do with the content of the post, which was a call to action.

activists should be prepared to respond intelligently to legitimate criticism of their position

Yes, but that wasn't the place for that discussion. The place for that discussion was on one of the many, many, many job loss/job gain threads that are posted every day.

These were people who were trying to get other people involved in activist actions. You ought to applaud them for that instead of damping their post with your negative comments.

Your comment, on that specific thread, was out of place and unwelcome. It would have been unwelcome on most threads, but not out of place. Let's discuss, but let's not dampen activism.
1,333 posted on 03/16/2004 9:33:14 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; Jim Robinson
THANKS TONS for stating this.

I've certainly experienced it and observed it but never quite articulated it so accurately, even in my own mind.

I just flinched a lot.
1,334 posted on 03/16/2004 9:35:02 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix; agitator
I've certainly experienced it and observed it but never quite articulated it so accurately, even in my own mind.

We can thank Agitator for this excellent post. My writing is no where as good as his.

I first experienced this on the Westerfield threads. After that experience, when someone says something totally out of line, I shoot back, however I try to stick to the subject at hand and try not to focus on hairy palms, eye of newt and toe of frog, etc...

1,335 posted on 03/16/2004 9:44:09 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Great plan and habit.

I'll try and follow your excellent example. No guarantees! hehe.

I guess I still have a bias.

Children acting out sheer rebellion and defiance need swatted appropriately.

And SOME posters acting like 2 year olds need a verbal slap upside the head.

But then there are those, one would be wisest not to stoop so low as.
1,336 posted on 03/16/2004 9:52:41 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
BTW, a friend in pottery class at the college has gotten into making spotted owl canisters.

He's 20 something. A good Believing Christian.

Anyway--I know him to be somewhat of a fiesty and very original sort of guy.

So I asked him if he liked and supported spotted owls.

His typically him response was:

Yeah! They are delicious!
1,337 posted on 03/16/2004 9:54:28 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: agitator
I’m not talking about people who happen onto a thread, I mean a pack of regulars who operate in concert. These aren’t people who are interested in debate, they’re interested in squelching debate. They’re professional flamemeisters, verbal log-rollers who specialize in pushing their opponents to the point of getting themselves banned. They’re nasty, vituperative, angry, combative people who appear to define their lives by their online personas. They’re incapable of a civil discussion.

Well stated. That's been my experience as well.

1,338 posted on 03/16/2004 10:01:50 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Please be advised I posted nothing to you; however, if the shoe fits, wear it and stop complaining.
1,339 posted on 03/16/2004 10:09:23 AM PST by Vernon (Sir "Ol Vern" aka Brother Maynard - One of God's kids by Adoption!)
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To: Texas2step
I think you have a great idea.
1,340 posted on 03/16/2004 10:13:16 AM PST by cyborg (In die begin het God die hemel en die aarde geskape.)
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