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Owens Won't Run For Senate
Denver Channel 4 ^ | March 9, 2004 | Channel 4

Posted on 03/09/2004 10:49:15 AM PST by Columbine

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To: PRND21
You are simply hurling around false allegations and it's disgusting.

Last year, it was reported that in 1970, after Tancredo's student deferments ran out, he appealed his 1-A draft status, which would have put him at the top of the list for draft eligibility during the Vietnam War.

Tancredo said he didn't remember it that way. But he said he was given a 1-Y status, which put him at the bottom of the list, when he reported that he had been treated for mental illness as a teenager.

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101 posted on 03/09/2004 11:24:58 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Columbine
101 was meant for you.
102 posted on 03/09/2004 11:26:55 PM PST by PRND21
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To: MileHi
That's what I heard some time back. Owens a possible GOP nominee for president. From what I hear, he's a very good governor, getting his ducks in a row politically. Anyone else heard that?
103 posted on 03/10/2004 5:22:07 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Dawgreg
That's what I heard some time back. Owens a possible GOP nominee for president. From what I hear, he's a very good governor, getting his ducks in a row politically. Anyone else heard that?

I would be very wary of Owens. I voted for him twice, but I held my nose the second time. He's a pretty face who presents him self well, but I believe he has issues just under the surface that would make him a bad risk for the GOP in 2008.

Colorado has a complicated issue regarding its budget and various incompatible state amendments. It's a real mess that needs to be addressed, but Owens has shown zero leadership even though it's a train wreck for Colorado if nothing is done. I believe he much prefers to take high profile stances on "easy" issues while avoiding the real problems a leader (like GWB) will take on. Owens loves to appoint commissions to look into things -- like the current flap over CU football.

Owens is stubborn and has a mean streak that doesn't jibe with his public personna. He's appointed some real incompetents to state posts that make me wonder about his jugdement.

He's quite popular in Colorado, but I would be surprised if he could survive the scrutiny of a national presdential run. Frankly, I was hoping he would move on to the Senate where his genuinely conservative views could be useful despite his weaknesses. To be honest, I hadn't heard the "Clinton problem" rumors until I read this thread.

On the Senate topic, I think Salazar would have the best chance to win for the 'rats. For some reason, the usual troop of Denver/Boulder wackos seems to be sitting this one out. I doubt if Tancredo would even survive the primary. He just carries too much baggage. The Republicans mentioned in this thread by other FR Coloradoans can win, but none of them have the name recognition that Owens has.

Elway for Senator? An easy win two or three years ago, but he's had some business troubles (who hasn't?) and has gone through a divorce. Elway is the best quarterback I ever saw. He has an almost pathelogical drive to win. I'm not sure how he would fit in with the current crop of GOP Senators, to whom winning seems to be well down on the list of priorities. I think Elway would be a great governor, and if politics is in his future, I hope he holds his fire until '06 when Owens is term-limited out.

104 posted on 03/10/2004 6:14:45 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: NRA2BFree
I wonder if he's related to the Udall family from NM.

Son of Morris from AZ, I believe. Mark is a great big RAT as well.

105 posted on 03/10/2004 6:33:22 AM PST by MileHi
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To: Semi Civil Servant; Dawgreg
I think you make some sound points here. I am leaning towards McInnis at this point. I would like Beauprez to stay where he is.

As far as Owens, right now he needs to settle his marital issues. Still a possible candidate for '08 though. But he does have some down sides, RKBA is one.

I wish we could pick up Udalls seat. Not much chance I guess, Polerice or whatever his name is has a lot of money to back his run and I hear he is running for it. Another Boulder far left rat.

106 posted on 03/10/2004 6:45:02 AM PST by MileHi
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To: MileHi
I think McInnis is a good choice all around to run for Senate since he isn't seeking re-election for his district anyway. I agree that Beauprez should stay where he's at. Colorado doesn't need "Touchy" Feeley or his ilk taking that seat.
107 posted on 03/10/2004 7:07:49 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: PRND21
Went after an honor roll student but not the illegals that put in his home stereo.
That story was shown to be a fraud, as you should expect coming from the Denver Post. Obviously I am biased since he was my rep until just recently, but I think he is right on the money except that supports guest worker programs. It seems everyone supports the fraudulent guest worker programs even if they have a problem with illegal aliens and/or overimmigration.

108 posted on 03/10/2004 7:09:42 AM PST by sixmil
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To: PRND21
I don't know why that you have made it your mission to smear Tom Tancredo but you should know that you are not making me think less of Tom. I just think you have no character.

Lay off me. I have no interest in anything you have to say.

Mental illness covers a broad spectrum and the use of the term is intended to make what happened sound worse.

Here's what Tom was treated for. Tancredo said he was diagnosed with depression when he was 16 or 17 and received medication for five years for panic attacks and bouts of anxiety and depression.

109 posted on 03/10/2004 7:55:33 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Semi Civil Servant
You posted a lot of innuendo about Bill Owens. Posting rumors seems to be the trend in this thread.

How about backing it up with some links.
110 posted on 03/10/2004 7:58:14 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: trillium
>>>Of course, if you want to stand with a loser you agree with, Tancredo's your man.

Tom Tancredo is not a loser, he's a winner. He also supports the reelection of PresBush and he stands with the majority of American's when it comes to rejecting amnesty and open borders. Your tirade against Tancredo is typical for someone who doesn't know the man's political record at all.

I don't know who will win the GOP nomination. The choice of who will run for Campbell's senate seat will be left to the GOP voters of Colorado. In the recent past my fellow Coloradan's have done a good job of electing more and more conservatives to office. I expect that trend to continue.

Btw, Tom McClintock is a conservative Republican who I supported in the recall campaign. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a liberal RINO. Don't try to Californicate Colorado.

111 posted on 03/10/2004 8:22:07 AM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Thanks for the info. Very good information and I appreciate it. *~*
112 posted on 03/10/2004 10:05:17 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: MileHi
Thanks for the reply MileHi.....and now I have to show my "ignert" side to all the freepers........what is RKBA?(I'll probably wanna crawl in a hole when I find out thinking I should have known it)........hehehehehe
113 posted on 03/10/2004 10:07:56 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Columbine
"You posted a lot of innuendo about Bill Owens. Posting rumors seems to be the trend in this thread.

How about backing it up with some links."

I didn't think I posted a lot of innuendo, but my observations and assessment of the man. As far as Owens appointing incompetents, here’s a link:

http://www.csindy.com/csindy/2003-10-16/news.html

Sorry the link is to the El Paso County "progressive" rag, but the real newspaper in the county (Gazette) doesn't keep links to stories. A similar story ran in the Gazette (if you want to find it and pay for it). As a former state worker who still has "contacts", I can assure you this is not the only unqualified and/or incompetent person Bill Owens has appointed as a political reward.

As far as the TABOR/Amendment 23 budget mess, I've seen no leadership whatsoever from Owens on resolving this. If this isn't fixed, the Colorado State budget will gradually be given to over to Colorado school districts, which need more money like Bill Gates does. Maybe you see Owens taking a leading role in resolving this, but I sure don’t.

Here’s a story on the building budget mess from today:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/legislature/article/0,1299,DRMN_37_2717699,00.html

As far as Owens being stubborn and having a mean streak, I guess you’ll have to assess my statements in a void. They don’t put those things in the newspaper, but people who work in the system see a lot the public doesn’t.

Along those lines, did you know Roy Romer once got in a fist fight after a parade? That’s my favorite unreported Roy Romer story.

All I was saying is that people need to look very closely before jumping on the Owens band wagon.
114 posted on 03/10/2004 10:36:23 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: Dawgreg
Keep and Bear Arms. The gov got a little squishy after Columbine so although he isn't terrible on that issue he isn't solid either.
115 posted on 03/10/2004 11:04:49 AM PST by MileHi
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To: sixmil
That story was shown to be a fraud, as you should expect coming from the Denver Post.

Link, please.

116 posted on 03/10/2004 11:07:37 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Semi Civil Servant
First of all, I think laying Cindy's problems at the governor's feet is a bit of reach. All executives rely on recommendations from local/inside people when they make this kind of appointment. It is impossible for the governor to know the performance of each one of these people personally.

In addition to that, El Paso County is in a bit of a mess itself and anyone who has to work with our present county commissioners definitely knows that.

Yes, I know what the newspaper situation is here and the gap between the liberal rag and the Gazette isn't that big anymore.

As far as the TABOR/Amendment 23 budget mess, I've seen no leadership whatsoever from Owens on resolving this. If this isn't fixed, the Colorado State budget will gradually be given to over to Colorado school districts, which need more money like Bill Gates does. Maybe you see Owens taking a leading role in resolving this, but I sure don’t.

It's my understanding that this is still in the discussion stage and we will be seeing some policy on it before long. The best solution would be to repeal 23 but that may not be possible. I'm afraid that we will end up with a revision of Tabor instead. Either way, we will probably need an election to resolve it.

I agree that the governor needs to set the course for this and I believe he will.

Beyond that, we need to do something about the constitutional process in Colorado. Our state constitution should never be amended for things like 23.

I've seen no evidence of a mean streak in the governor but that probably depends on individual views. Stubborness is not always a bad thing. Remember how much stubborness it took to get some accountability in the Colorado school system?

Good for Romer. Did he lose?

117 posted on 03/10/2004 11:10:45 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Columbine
I don't know why that you have made it your mission to smear Tom Tancredo but you should know that you are not making me think less of Tom. I just think you have no character.

Why didn't you contest a single thing I wrote and sourced?

Lay off me. I have no interest in anything you have to say.

You asked me for a link at 25!
Talk about character. No wonder you support Tom. Shameless.

118 posted on 03/10/2004 11:12:28 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Columbine
Great tagline!
119 posted on 03/10/2004 11:16:32 AM PST by Corporate Law (<><)
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To: PRND21
Your posts speak for themselves.

You've provided no evidence of anything you have said about Tom Tancredo.

I and others have contested every single thing you said about him. I even refuted your "mental illness" argument from the same article you used to cast the aspersion.

Buzz off!
120 posted on 03/10/2004 11:16:57 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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