Delegates clash over abortion at GOP gathering [Bob Packwood RINO Alert]

The Oregonian ^ | 03/07/04 | DAN HORTSCH

[JohnnyZ]

In the blue states Olympia Snowe is a "right wing extremist".

That's so hyperbolic it's completely false.

It is fine to bemoan all of the rinos but when it comes to a governing majority the GOP has to put up with them

Nobody's saying any different. We want moderates to vote for us. We'd even vote for moderate Republicans if they made it to the general election. But Packwood is asking to redefine the GOP in the Democrats' image, which is A) wrong and B) beyond stupid.

Personally I'm looking forward to adding a couple of senate seats this year, since even additional Republican in the majority means Snowe and Chafee have less power.

[jwalsh07]

Pro Life Oregonians should simply defund them. It is the only thing these people understand. Call them, tell them to take you off their donor list and tell them why.

[JohnnyZ]

Pro Life Oregonians should simply defund them.

Defund who? The 86 people who voted for this? Or the state party chair, who was against it?

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

It is fine to bemoan all of the rinos but when it comes to a governing majority the GOP has to put up with them just as the Dems have to put up with guys like Zell Miller.

Interesting analogy, and with that same Democrat party it is Zel Miller who is loathed, mocked and driven right out of his seat into retirement. With guys like Jimmy Carter on down chastising him openly.

Compare that with the GOP, I don't see the "but we can win!" sell-out of any principles whining coming from the Demos.

The Republican party lacks real leadership. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

[jwalsh07]

The organization that removed the abortion plank from their charter.

Was that so hard?

You see the way it works it this. They see their money dry up, the error of their ways becomes clear and the abortion plank goes back in.

Of course you can do nothing, that's entirely up to you.

[KantianBurke]

"I don't mind converting a whore but I'll be damned if she leads the congregation."

[WOSG]

"supporting statewide kindergartens and sex education in elementary schools."


groan... with Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

[JohnnyZ]

The organization that removed the abortion plank from their charter. Was that so hard?

Try reading the article, or the comments on this thread. Nobody removed anything from anywhere.

delegates to the Republicans' annual Dorchester Conference voted Saturday to recommend removing any mention of abortion from their state party platform.

It's not an organization. The vast majority of delegates were against any change. And the 'recommendation' of the minority that did not abstain has no real consequence.

Was that so hard?

[jwalsh07]

It's not an organization.

Depends on the meaning of "organization". Pro lifers should make it clear that they will not fund such conferences. Simple, power of the purse.

The vast majority of delegates were against any change.

The vast majority of delegates got hemorrhoid's from sitting on the proverbial picket fence and should get calls from their Pro Life supporters telling them that abstentions are not acceptable.

And the 'recommendation' of the minority that did not abstain has no real consequence.

Probably not though it should have but most folks are like you. They see losing a vote as a victory.

The Conference voted to recommend the removal of the abortion plank, that is the fact of the matter. They accomplished that because of stupidity. Stupidity should not be rewarded, it should be discouraged.

But, hey like I said, I can only speak to what I would do and have done.

[Ronaldus Magnus]

A RINO women's libber who resigned his senatorial seat because of a habit of grouping all over unsuspecting women anytime he managed to get one alone in an elevator. It is my sincere hope that Bob Packwood becomes the face of the pro-abortion movement within the Republican Party!

[WOSG]

Correction: Pro-life is the vast Republican and conservative consensus. FR just reflects that. Nobody in the GOP support abortion on demand.

This is a sign of victory for the pro-life side. Once the Packwood's owned the party, now they are has-beens and the party grassroots reject their old views. Even though it 'passed' the huge number of abstentions shows it was a rejection and non-consensus view. I think the pessimism of the cynics like KantianBurke is misplaced.

Without a doubt, we are winning and the other side is losing.

[KantianBurke]

The Gerald Parsky's of the GOP thank you for your dismissive attitude.

[WOSG]

"Pro Life Oregonians should simply defund them. It is the only thing these people understand. Call them, tell them to take you off their donor list and tell them why."

Good advice.

I'll tell you the problem:
About 95% of the GOP is pro-life, only 5% is the 'other way', but that 5% has disproportionate share of the big money. There are rich 'fiscal conservative' social liberals who can write million dollar checks. (eg the "New Republican Majority" group in California.)

So withhold the money and let the pro-aborts fund their own. But dont be surprised if they continue to throw big bucks on the other side, far beyod their numerical representation in the party.

[WOSG]

On the contrary: You give the Parsky's of the party way too much credit and respect. They thank you for building up their egos.

[JohnnyZ]

Pro lifers should make it clear that they will not fund such conferences. Simple, power of the purse.

I would guess that it is funded via registration fee. Are you recommending that pro-lifers not show up to the conference, remove their voices from the GOP? That would indeed be a victory for Packwood.

The vast majority of delegates got hemorrhoid's from sitting on the proverbial picket fence

You show little understanding of what went on.

[jwalsh07]

And you show the intestinal fortitude of a flea. So there.

[Coleus]

The 5th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence guarantee us life and the the republican party is pro life, below is their platform.  I don't know why certain republicans fail to realize this? If you expect to win, you must win over the Catholic Reagan Democrats who will switch sides when a pro-life repbulican comes along.  Seems republicans no longer cut spending in budgets so this is one platform on which a candidate should run.

 

That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

Platform of the Republican Party

[Coleus]

LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!

 

[Arthur McGowan]

Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions.

Note that EXECUTIVES are somehow, magically, exempted from the requirement to respect innocent human life. What has become of the principle that IMMORAL COMMANDS, ORDERS, and LAWS are not to be obeyed? What has become of the basic principle of Nuremberg?

If the judges and legislatures command the killing of babies, it REMAINS the duty of the Governors and the President to intervene and prevent abortions.

[Siobhan]

BUMPUS AD SUMMUM