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Experts Say New Desktop Fusion Claims Seem More Credible
New York Times ^
| March 3, 2004
| KENNETH CHANG
Posted on 03/03/2004 6:49:50 AM PST by 68skylark
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Interesting. Has anyone else heard of this?
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posted on
03/03/2004 6:49:50 AM PST
by
68skylark
To: 68skylark
Yeah, I get violent explosions after shaking my Dr. Pepper real hard and then opening it quickly. Probably more useful as an energy source than the dollars thrown at this.
It does sound more credible than previous attempts.
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posted on
03/03/2004 6:53:17 AM PST
by
IYAS9YAS
(Go Fast, Turn Left!)
To: 68skylark
Beer & Nachos have the same effect on me...
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posted on
03/03/2004 6:56:55 AM PST
by
Tallguy
(Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
To: 68skylark
"Neutrons are slippery little rascals," he said. "They can fool you. They can bounce and show up around corners you don't expect."I have that prollem all the time.
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posted on
03/03/2004 6:58:53 AM PST
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: 68skylark
...some of the hydrogen atoms in the solvent molecules fused, producing a flash of light and energy. Show me the helium. Show me the neutrons.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:01:03 AM PST
by
stboz
To: 68skylark
even if it's not true fusion, there is an energy release or transference going on which might be usefully harnessed. If soundwaves could do this, what could concentrated microwaves do(despite heat our food)?
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:02:26 AM PST
by
mdmathis6
To: 68skylark
How much energy (watts multiplied by duration) was needed to produce the ultrasonic sound and how long did the fusion reaction last. That will determine the economical feasibility of process. Energy in must produce substantially more energy out to make the process useable. Otherwise we cannot affort it.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:03:13 AM PST
by
Fee
To: 68skylark
Nice and cheap:
cost less than $1 million And you can't get out more than you put in, you can only try to make sure that whatever you are putting in costs less than what you are getting out (amount of coal $$ < amount of revenue produced by electricity $$).
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:07:01 AM PST
by
NotQuiteCricket
(10 kinds of people in the world)
To: 68skylark
Yeah they are on sale at Walmart this week:
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:10:45 AM PST
by
ElkGroveDan
(Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
To: 68skylark
And unlike cold fusion, sonofusion is based on known science Smackdown.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:16:02 AM PST
by
The Dude Abides
(Hey Saddam., you're king of just two things.......and Jack just left town.)
To: NotQuiteCricket
And you can't get out more than you put in, In a most pure sense you are right. Since mass/energy will always remain constant. However in a fusion equation you get to use part of the mass in accounting for the energy coming out of the reaction. You are tapping into "energy" that is not usually accounted for by converting a small portion of the mass to energy. That my friend, is a whole lotta energy.
Depending on how you look at it, you ARE getting more energy than the quantity of thermodynamic energy you put into the process.
Now it remains to be seen if fusion is really going on here.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:18:17 AM PST
by
ElkGroveDan
(Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Partial ping list for cold fusion.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:21:39 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(A compassionate evolutionist.)
To: 68skylark
Interesting. Has anyone else heard of this?This has been around long enough for the Hollywood movie to have come and gone and been forgotten. Which is why I can't remember the title.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:22:56 AM PST
by
js1138
To: 68skylark
One of the researchers is at my university. Yes, this is the real deal -- or at least, the science is being done in a creditable fashion and no new theories are needed to explain the fusion hypothesis. Whether this could ever be a practical source of power is another question.
To: js1138
Chain reaction.
But I had to google it. : 0
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:25:06 AM PST
by
American_Centurion
(Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
To: 68skylark
Badda-bing-badda-bump.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:27:28 AM PST
by
aculeus
To: 68skylark
>sonofusion
"Helium four was produced in a vacuum tight system and measured by mass spectrometry with no measurable accompanying radiation. This fusion product from a piezo driven, acoustic reactor forces deuterons into a metallic foil. We believe the reaction is the result of the adiabatic collapse of transient bubbles in D_2O. The collapse process forms high-density plasma jets that are further z-pinched and then implanted into the foil lattices where the DD fusion takes place. With no evidence of long range radiation, the mc^2 energy was converted to heat. The reactor gases were analyzed at levels as high as 500 ppm of ^4He, which is 100 times that found in air. The SEM, Scanning Electron Microscope, photos of target foil surfaces show evidence of violent activity identified as ejecta sites varying in size from 100 to 10000 nm in diameter. The ^4He, radiation, excess heat, and SEM measurements support the DD fusion explanation."
If this stuff is true,
then one of the wildest
tin foil subject heads
might get re-opened.
Sonoluminescence is
not uncommon in
biological
systems -- i.e., animals
and possibly us.
Pinkie-size marine crustaceans whose snappy noisemaking has already captivated scientists also stage some flashy pyrotechnics, researchers now find. While earlier experiments had shown that so-called snapping shrimp generate imploding air bubbles that make loud popping sounds (SN: 9/23/00, p. 199), a new study reveals that those collapsing bubbles emit flashes of light and may flare as hot as the sun's surface.
In the Oct. 4 Nature, Detlef Lohse of Twente University in Enschede, the Netherlands, and his colleagues present measurements of those light flashes. Using readings from a sensitive light detector called a photomultiplier tube, they offer the first evidence of a biological version of the phenomenon known as sonoluminescence. ... Cavitation bubbles in synovial fluid may even explain the sound of "cracking" knuckles, he ventures. And if that's the case, he says, "I'd be willing to bet pitchers of beer that cracking knuckles will also generate small amounts of luminescence."
If
animals have
real sonoluminescence
going on inside
and if
fusion can result from these light flashes
then you have right there
a mechanism
that fits Biological
Transmutation! Yikes!
Now, when someone says
they need to blow off some steam,
they might just mean it!
To: American_Centurion
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:41:32 AM PST
by
js1138
To: 68skylark
Veddy interestink...
It remains to be seen if these results are repeatable and credible. If so, I would expect these gentlemen to be heading to Oslo sometime in the future.
For what its worth, I had read about some similar experiments many years ago (15?) on one of those "alternative science/free energy" websites, well, it wasnt even on the web back then, it was a computer BBS. I just checked an they are still there, at www.keelynet.com.
Something about water being subjected to ultrasound, and then doing some real weird things like this.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:47:40 AM PST
by
Paradox
(Cogito ergo Dumb.)
To: js1138
Having seen this movie years ago, I find the rating to be dead on. Unless there is a possibility of less than zero rating.
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posted on
03/03/2004 7:49:50 AM PST
by
American_Centurion
(Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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