Gay unions accepted as routine in cultures for centuries

Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | Feb 29, 2004 | Will Bagley

[Lazamataz]

True. But some people do quit. Others do not. You can't remove the aspect of desire from this argument. Desire to overcome an addiction has to be paramount before anyone can overcome it. You can't characterize it solely as a biological experience, or else you never would have been able to overcome your addiction, Laz.

Nu-uh. (shaking head in denial)

Okay, I don't have a great comeback, so maybe just raw denial will distract you.

Um, hey, look! Cows! (pointing)

(runs away when you look at the cows)

[Auntie Dem]

The Tribune began its life as an anti-mormon rag. It became a left-wing rag when most mormons voted right-wing. They exist solely to harrass and denigrate the mormons.

Now, as to the article's implication that homosexuality is a natural thing and should be allowed to exist because it is natural: If the homo lobby wants to pursue that argument to its logical extension they would soon be extinct. To argue that homosexuality in humans should be tolerated and/or accepted/embraced, because it occurs in the animal kingdom, then we would be allowed to kill other humans that crossed into our "territory" because animals do it. We would be able to take any female we wanted if we could beat up or kill her current "mate" because animals do it. We could mate with any number of willing or unwilling females because animals do it.

Our ability to think and reason, and to evaluate "right" and "wrong" is what separates us from the animals. Homosexuality is an animal behavior that has no place in human society.

[kanawa]

You can't remove the aspect of desire from this argument. Desire to overcome an addiction has to be paramount before anyone can overcome it.

Drug and alcohol addiction are instances of a strange class of diseases where the only diagnosis that counts is your own. Until you see the problem ,in all it's starkness, the necessary desire to quit the behavior is not generated.

Other than demonstrable instances of genetic/biological differences, I see a similarity in homosexual behavior. The difference is one of subtlety. Alcohol and drug addition tend to smack you up the side of the head with the problems they create, ex. loss of job, family, freedom. Homosexuality has its own support group that appears to validated your choice, at least in your own eyes. At some level you feel good. It's difficult to put all homosexuals in one basket. Some are promiscuous; some aren't, some are a drain on society; some aren't.

The problem, as I see it, is identical in all but expression to those hetrosexuals that find overriding personal validation through sexual behavior. Part of growing up for me was to realize that my value as a man did rely on how many notches were on my bedpost nor upon the acceptance of another for me. Homosexuals, like all of us, have to take an honest and courageous look into the motivations for our behaviors.

If they do and still consider themselves homosexual then more power to them. Civil unions may be an fair compromise. Just keep it between consenting adults and please keep your hands off the dictionary. Your right to pursue happiness does not give you the right to redefine words for the rest of us.

[webstersII]

"Other than demonstrable instances of genetic/biological differences, I see a similarity in
homosexual behavior. "

I have pondered that same thing.

"Homosexuality has its own support group that appears to validated your choice, at least in your own eyes. "

Good point. Hence the resulting cultural implications we see now.