Southern Lawmakers Working On Compromise To Bush Immigration Plan

SignOnSanDiego ^ | February 29, 2004 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

[Iron Matron]

Maybe they should call it "Really Work Visa"


Thats right!

ANy immigrant here illegally, or just on a work permit needs to WORK and I mean work at what the TAXPAYERS want - not private business. Most illegals are too lazy to work, they get here on "WORK VISAS", then quit and draw their welfare. Kind of like the TERRORIST were on SCHOOL VISAS, but they sure were not in school!

[Cold Heat]

ANy immigrant here illegally, or just on a work permit needs to WORK and I mean work at what the TAXPAYERS want - not private business.

OK, Now you have exposed your flank.

That idea is just plain ludicrous!

It would be one thing to encourage voluntary work like this, but what you suggest is not, and will never be considered,

It would be involuntary servitude......

The very thing that my forefathers fled to this country to escape!

Ludicrous!

[Iron Matron]

It would be involuntary servitude......


Not if they were getting paid!

I am having money INVOLUNTARILY STOLEN from me to support these yahoos. THAT IS SERVITUDE.

If my flank is exposed too bad- I dont claim to be politicallly correct!

Too bad we are protecting the feelings and failings of illegals rather than those that support this country for real.

[Cold Heat]

Not if they were getting paid!

Conscripts and domestic servants and Even the French Foreign Legion were paid.

This is a free country!

We have no intention of turning the clock back over 200 years.

[janetgreen]

If you voted for him in 2000 then you did support this. It was in every campaign speech he gave.

I thought Al Gore would do something like this, but didn't think that Bush would get away with it.

[janetgreen]

Now, now, PRND, stop trying to argue with me. People will say we're in love...

[PRND21]

Our love is cloaked, too.

[janetgreen]

I am having money INVOLUNTARILY STOLEN from me to support these yahoos. THAT IS SERVITUDE.

You bet it is, and this is exactly what is causing so much resentment in America. The takers outnumbering the givers and stealing from them.

[janetgreen]

Really, Really cloaked! Our marriage would never last... you're too old for me.

[PRND21]

:)

[Iron Matron]

This is a free country

Yes it is, and immigrants are FREE to WORK instead of SUCKING their living from CITIZENS PAYCHECKS!

They are FREE to TRY and make it. A good living is not free, medical is not free.

I am suggesting that all immigrants be PROVIDED JOBS, that they MUST contribute - or GET THE EFF OUT!!!!! If we have to provide work for the MONEY THEY ARE TAKING fine - immigrants sure dont seem to be able to find work themselves!

[Iron Matron]

The takers outnumbering the givers and stealing from them.



My point exactly. Immigrants have no PRIDE, no PATRIOTISM, NO GRATITUDE, NO MANNERS. I say they should have NO AMERICAN MONEY unless it is WORKED FOR AND PAID BACK!

[jimt]

I was thinking of replying to this thread, but you two are doing a great job stating my position.

We don't need more folks coming here "yearning to eat free". "Bad" doesn't begin to describe Bush's proposal.

[Cold Heat]

but you two are doing a great job stating my position.

What, is "eat free" the new mantra of the anti-immigration contingent.

While it may be true that social services are indeed strained in some areas, the seasonal nature of the employment, the desire for work and a life made them cross with only the cloths on their backs.

Those same services still have a majority American citizen customer base and you know it.

Bush's proposal does in fact control this illegal alien problem, by tying the entry to a bonded job offer that has been vetted.

The line for these work visa's will be long, but the line will be in Mexico!

At the same time this is implemented, the ones left on the street with no paperwork will be disappearing as they leave a now hostile environment for a undocumented worker without a visa or a job.

Control of the employer is what this idea really does.

[jimt]

What, is "eat free" the new mantra of the anti-immigration contingent.

I'm not anti-immigration, I'm anti-parasite !

Eliminate the welfare hammock (completely) for these folks, and most of my antipathy towards illegals ceases.

While it may be true that social services are indeed strained in some areas, the seasonal nature of the employment, the desire for work and a life made them cross with only the cloths on their backs.

So many errors in a single statement make it hard to respond.

Services are more than "strained" in some areas, American citizens are being crowded out by hordes of illegals.

"Seasonal" employment my rear end ! These folks come and stay, and bring their families. They put down roots, tapping every public benefit they run across, and at their income level, that's a lot of them.

Would that it was their desire for "work" that made them cross. It is in fact their desire to live better for less work that makes many come. Their "income" is substantially supplemented, else they couldn't live here, period. How do you support a family of five or six on ten bucks an hour? With state, local and federal subsidies, that's how.

And those come out of my pocket, and I'm damn tired of it.

Bush's proposal does nothing more than legalize those who're here, and act as a magnet for millions more to arrive, to be subsidized by taxpayers like me. It's a gift of taxpayer subsidized employees to business, and it sucks.