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S. 1805, Gun Lawsuit pre-emption bill, my response to 14 amendments.
Self | 3/1/04 | Richard Brengman

Posted on 03/01/2004 1:02:30 AM PST by Richard-SIA

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To: ZULU
Its quite remarkable, but the U.S. managed to exist until shortly before the Civil War without any police force at all - anywhere.

Yeah, but there were only a handfull of laws back then. And almost everyone obeyed them out of principle, not fear of the police.

21 posted on 03/01/2004 10:47:21 AM PST by templar
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To: Euro-American Scum
Bush either doesn*t get this, or he doesn*t care. There*s no way he cannot know what fury this will strike in the hearts of gun owners if the AWB renewal is attached to this bill. He just figures the base has nowhere to go.

His father made the same mistake in 1992. Only this time there is no Ross Perot to give vent to the frustration of the base.

We*ll see how it turns out.

I*m with you on this one. The backlash for President Bush and the Republican Party will be disastrous. The outcome will give us a RAT infestation in the White House and an even larger one in Congress.

22 posted on 03/01/2004 10:49:29 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Proud member of the FR Rabid Right Wing Axis of Evil®.)
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To: templar
And almost everyone obeyed them out of principle"

True. But the "principle" was often the muzzle of a long-rifle or pistol in the hands of a law-abiding citizen.
23 posted on 03/01/2004 10:58:20 AM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR McCARTHY!!!!)
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To: ZULU
Hmmm... - They didn't have quite as many LAWYERS back then, did they?
24 posted on 03/01/2004 11:16:11 AM PST by Uncle Jaque ("O; Say; Can You See, By The Dawn's Early Light...")
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To: NRA2BFree
Well good for you, Sis!

Imitation being a higher form of flattery, legend has it, I don't mind your using some of my material as you see fit, as long as it stays in context as I'm sure you will use it.

What do you think about my "Due Proccess" theory as it relates to "Gun control"?

I wonder if it would hold any legal water in Court - or if anyone has actually tried it?

25 posted on 03/01/2004 11:20:54 AM PST by Uncle Jaque ("O; Say; Can You See, By The Dawn's Early Light...")
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To: Euro-American Scum
RE:

"His father made the same mistake in 1992. Only this time there is no Ross Perot to give vent to the frustration of the base.

Are your SURE about that?

Check out this e-mail I just got:

Jaque:
I wrote to Dale preston, one of the organizers of the Maine Veterans Party.
Here is his letter in response to my inquiry.
They need organizers in (our) County.
I am considering their platform seriously.
I need more info before I join though.
See the links to the national and Maine websites.
V.


Hello, V.__

Here's some information on our positions in Maine.

The Veterans Party is very new, and the platform is in general terms at this point. The motivation to form the party is to:

1 - give a strong political voice in American government to Veterans for the very first time in America's history;

2 - stop the erosion of Veterans benefits, and honor the promises that have been made to Veterans, such as: medical coverage for life for retirees; health coverage for all Veterans that are indigent; and concurrent receipt (full retirement pay, plus disability payments a retiree is entitled to - until this month, the retirement pay was reduced dollar for dollar by the disability pay, effectively eliminating retirement pay in many cases, and military retirees were the only federal retirees this law applied to);

3 - oppose sending any American tax money overseas until every American has their needs met (Americans are taxed to cover the expenses of government services, therefore, tax revenues should not exceed service expenses, which could lead to a reduction in tax rates for all Americans);

4 - not accept one penny of contributions from corporations, special interest groups, or foreign nationals -
the Veterans Party will continue to pay attention to the American citizens, which is not the case with the current major parties (they get their funds, primarily, from corporations, special interest groups, and foreign nationals which makes the American citizen important, only, at election time);

5 - to serve the backbone of America (the men and women that work steady, pay their taxes, pay their bills, serve America, and raise their children to do the same);

6 - to focus on the business of government, and not participate in the never ending, disingenuous, campaigning that our American politicians engage in throughout their terms of office and successfully obscure the issues which they do not want to confront;

7 - absolutely oppose military actions against other nations except to defend America against clearly defined threats (soldiers are not disposable, political pawns).

We will start in Maine by dissecting the budget to clearly define the revenues, and the expenses. And, just as each of us do in our own homes, insure the expenses do not exceed revenue, and then present the information to Maine citizens to begin the process of setting priorities and expectations in each government department.

This is an ambitious project which leaves no time to waste our resources on digging up mud on the candidates of other parties.

I hope I've answered your questions, and, if not, please tell me.

We're looking for thinkers and doers. At this time, we're beginning the petition drive and need volunteers to canvas their neighborhoods, towns, and counties. As they do, they will absorb information about the needs of their local citizens which can be shared within the party. This is a dynamic party in its first days after its birth. With your help it will grow to become the party America needs for the future.

As of this week, Maine registered voters can enroll in the Veterans Party at their town offices. A citizen does not have to be a Veteran to enroll in our party. We welcome Veterans, Active Duty Servicemen, National Guardsmen, Reservists, their families, and friends.

Take care,

Dale R. Preston
Veterans Party, State Chairman
PO Box 1212
Rockland, Me 04841-1212
(Tel No.s & E-Dress witheld to deter Trolls etc.)

Veteran@MaineVeteransParty.com

www.VeteransParty.US

26 posted on 03/01/2004 11:36:48 AM PST by Uncle Jaque ("O; Say; Can You See, By The Dawn's Early Light...")
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To: Uncle Jaque
Imitation being a higher form of flattery, legend has it, I don*t mind your using some of my material as you see fit, as long as it stays in context as I*m sure you will use it.

What do you think about my "Due Proccess" theory as it relates to "Gun control"?

I wonder if it would hold any legal water in Court - or if anyone has actually tried it?

Thanks for letting me use your letter, and yes, it should flatter you. :) I will keep it in context, but i will add fire to it. lol. I*ve written to all of my Congresscritters so many times they will be impressed at how much I have advanced on the gun issue. :)

I think your "due process theory" might just work. I don*t know if it*s ever been tried, but a good attorney could bring terror to the hearts of our enemies. At least, we can hope that it would. :)

27 posted on 03/01/2004 11:54:21 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Proud member of the FR Rabid Right Wing Axis of Evil®.)
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To: Uncle Jaque
I wonder if it would hold any legal water in Court - or if anyone has actually tried it?

Yes they have, but the lower courts are in general not having any, and the Supreme Court refuses to hear cases involving direct challenges to gun control laws, on second amendment, ninth amendment or due process grounds.

28 posted on 03/01/2004 12:46:08 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Richard-SIA
You have no argument from me. Well said!
29 posted on 03/01/2004 1:10:58 PM PST by kimber (Fight for the Right to Bear Arms!)
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To: ZULU
Powerful police lobbies in states like New Jersey have pushed the average salaries of police officers above $60,000 in some places, not to mention the additonal perks like overtime, double time and a half for holidays,

There is a strange dichotomy. My brother inlaw is with the State Police, and his salary is in that range. But, I've known Sheriff's Deputies who made barely above minimum wage.

Teachers, lawyers, police, construction firms, and insurance companies have become the nation's most powerful lobbies.

Again, a dichotomy. My wife is a teacher, in a small town, and the teachers regularly get royally screwed. The union is very assertive about pushing for money for political agendas, where they have zero business playing around, but, when it comes to negotiating a fair contract for the teachers, they can't be bothered. So, the local board just steamrolls the teachers. The very top-heavy administration makes out like bandits, but the teachers (the ones doing the work) don't even get "raises" that keep track with inflation.

The teachers unions IMO will only bother to go to bat for the teachers in the "showcase" venues, i.e., big cities. Everyone else can FOAD, but pay up, or else. My wife takes the "or else" option. She refuses to "contribute" to any of their leftwing causes (same with quite a few other teachers here), paying only the bare minimum necessary for membership (which is still a ripoff IMO).

As to lawyers and insurance companies, I'm afraid I'll have to avoid saying anything about my sentiments, lest I lapse into obscenities.

30 posted on 03/01/2004 1:37:04 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Euro-American Scum
He just figures the base has nowhere to go.

His father made the same mistake in 1992. Only this time there is no Ross Perot to give vent to the frustration of the base.

It's Rovethink. No Ross Perot = nowhere else to go = hold their noses and vote "R".

IMO Bush will do whatever Rove tells him to do. I see Rove as tantamount to the KGB "Political Officer" the old Soviet Union placed on every ship. No mission-relevant purpose, but, absolute sway in all decisions.

31 posted on 03/01/2004 1:40:02 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Uncle Jaque
...in order to effectively neutralize S.1805 or convert it into an agent of expanding repression and tyranny, contrary to it's original intent.

I stopped reading at that point, because I can safely guarantee you that your Senators stopped reading it at that point too, and tossed it into the "nutcase file."

Please note: I am NOT calling you a nutcase. I am merely pointing out the "realpolitik" we're confronted with when communicating with "our elected representatives."

You've gotta craft your message in such a way as to get your message across, without using any "loaded words."

JMO, YMMV, LS/MFT, Not Valid where Prohibited by Law, etc.

32 posted on 03/01/2004 1:44:40 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: NRA2BFree
I*ve already called my Senators several times today. I try to disguise my voice but I*m sure they have an idea that it*s the same lady calling back.

I think it's a safe bet that their phone system recognizes ANI. You can block CID, but you can't block ANI. If you're calling via a toll-free number, than ANI is a given. But considering the "who they are" factor, I suspect ANI is a given regardless, so that they can track down anyone making threats and blocking CID.

33 posted on 03/01/2004 1:48:10 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
"My brother inlaw is with the State Police, and his salary is in that range. But, I've known Sheriff's Deputies who made barely above minimum wage."

Generally, or so I'm told, people who start out as Sheriff's officers earn less that Municipal Police or State Police. After a little experience, they try to move onto those positions, unless they can advance up the Sheriff's ladder of promotions.

"My wife is a teacher, in a small town, and the teachers regularly get royally screwed."

I bet she doesn't teach in New Jersey, or in any large northeastern State.

"The very top-heavy administration makes out like bandits,"

True. I have heard about armies of Principles, Vice-Principles, Superintendents, Assistant Superintendents, etc, who suck up the big bucks while teachers on the firing lines get screwed.

The Teachers Unions appear to be obstructive from the perspective of improving education for the students, jealously defensive about tenure, and far too active when it comes to political issues which have little or no relevance to education.

The United States is a big place and the situation varies from one area to another, both demographically, and with respect to teaching benefits, salaries, etc. What I was stating applies mainly to Northeastern states, but probably also is true in places like California, Maryland and some other large urban areas.

"She refuses to "contribute" to any of their leftwing causes (same with quite a few other teachers here), paying only the bare minimum necessary for membership (which is still a ripoff IMO)."

God bless her!!

34 posted on 03/01/2004 2:11:02 PM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR McCARTHY!!!!)
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To: Don Joe
I know what caller ID is, but what is "ANI?" I would never make any threatening phone calls to anyone, and after reading this, I may never try to "stack the deck" with extra phone calls either. lol
35 posted on 03/01/2004 2:49:42 PM PST by NRA2BFree (Proud member of the FR Rabid Right Wing Axis of Evil®.)
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To: NRA2BFree
ANI = "Automatic Number Identification".
36 posted on 03/01/2004 4:07:29 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Richard-SIA
Anybody know where to find fax numbers for the Senators.
37 posted on 03/01/2004 4:14:11 PM PST by alaskanfan
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To: alaskanfan
Sometimes available on their website, sometimes on their letterhead, and sometimes you have to ask for them.

A few will not give it to you unless you are a lobbyist or donor.

I probably have them for Nevada.

Try the varied RKBA group sites, some may be listed there.

Start with http://www.nraila.org
38 posted on 03/01/2004 6:25:09 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: alaskanfan
Not what you asked for but it's an opportunity to list the phone numbers and e mail addresses again.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
39 posted on 03/01/2004 6:30:11 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
1-800-648-3516 or 1-800-839-5276 for free.
40 posted on 03/01/2004 8:15:27 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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