S. 1805, Gun Lawsuit pre-emption bill, my response to 14 amendments.

Self | 3/1/04 | Richard Brengman

[Richard-SIA]

Probably not my best post of all time, but the final vote can come at any time now. This is what I rushed to my good (R) senator a few minuted ago.

We REALLY need to jam the lines for the next two days in support of a clean, amendment free passage of this bill.

[NRA2BFree]

My Senators are definitely going to be hearing from me again! I've got one RAT and one RINO and they both have very poor ratings from GOA.

[NRA2BFree]

Bang!

[longtermmemmory]

bump

[Richard-SIA]

Addendum!

I forgot one of my main points, staying up too late.

We will probably get "HAD" if the senate is allowed to decide this bill via a "voice vote".

When contacting your senator please INSIST that ALL votes on this bill MUST be recorded!

It is an election year, many of those voting on this bill would like to hide their true record if possible so that they can tell voters from both sides of the issue what they want to hear.

At this time the bill has a status very similar to the McClure-Volkmer "Firearm Owners Protection Act" of 1986.
MV-86 was a "must pass" bill, ATF had been caught murdering citizens in their beds, it was unsafe to travel through several states with firearms in any manner, L.E. entrapment of gun owners was common, etc.
The abuse got so bad that congress finally decided to "do something" about it via MV-86.
The last minute addition of an amendment adding section 922.(o), via "voice vote" has been the source of bitter contention to this day.

Initially 922.(o) affected "only" NFA firearms enthusiast, but it also eventually became the inspiration for the Klinton gun bans of 1994.

We must prevent a similar manipulation of congress being repeated with S. 1805.

[armyboy]

Even though I'm deployed in Iraq, i'm keeping a close eye on this issure and plan on contacting my Senators and let them know my opinion.
let's pray that S. 1805 is passed as a CLEAN bill

[Richard-SIA]

Please be sure to let them know where you are contacting them from!

[Don Joe]

A couple attempt to make Law Enforcement officers into Super Citizens, granting them extraordinary rights and privileges that are not available to the common citizen. Such nonsense is not acceptable!

What? Are you suggesting that government employess do not deserve to be rewareded with Super Citizen status? We must honor our masters. Such talk like yours can come to no good, no good at all. I suggest you apologize, and acknowledge that you've seen the error of your ways. Our masters know best, and it is our place to humbly trust, obey, and honor them, in any way that they see fit.

Besides, it's not like there'll be a small number of such Super Citizens. At the rate the federal gov't is arming its various clerks and functionaries, it won't be long before the unarmed gov't employee is the rarity. So relax, there will be lots of Super Citizens to protect us from ourselves. The future is bright -- for the trusting, and obedient.

Don't make waves.

This message has been brough to you by the Orwell Fund Office of Public Awareness.

[Joe Brower]

[aomagrat]

Look for a mass shooting today to pump up support for more gun control. It happens everytime a gun bill comes up for a vote.

[looscnnn]

"The second is to cause a massive back-lash among conservatives and gun owners against president Bush, the republican party, NRA, and even our very republic."

Well then I guess the answer is that Bush, the GOP and the NRA all do the right thing. If they don't, it won't be just the liberals to blame or punish.

[ZULU]

Police HAVE become a superclass. Especially in places where the state government is most liberal.

Powerful police lobbies in states like New Jersey have pushed the average salaries of police officers above $60,000 in some places, not to mention the additonal perks like overtime, double time and a half for holidays, extensive survivor benefits even if the cop just dies accidently in a non-service related incident, death ebenfits to divorced wives, etc. etc.

Its quite remarkable, but the U.S. managed to exist until shortly before the Civil War without any police force at all - anywhere. Just the militia and average citizens.

Teachers, lawyers, police, construction firms, and insurance
companies have become the nation's most powerful lobbies.

[Sender]

Look for a mass shooting today to pump up support for more gun control

I only hope that you're wrong on this one...but I too am antsy.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Initially 922.(o) affected "only" NFA firearms enthusiast...

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Remarkably, that provision is probably the worst piece of law of all time, because it ensured that US citizens will thereafter be denied modern military arms.

[Shooter 2.5]

The Gun Mfrs Liability Protection Act should pass as a clean Bill with the amendments removed. Please call your Senators with special attention to Majority Leader Frist.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[Euro-American Scum]

If this bill is derailed, or passed after being subjected to unbearable amendments, the result will be a massive defection of conservatives from the republican party! Few will vote liberal, but MANY would view that result as proof that both parties are run by "republicrats" and stay home on election day.

Bush either doesn't get this, or he doesn't care. There's no way he cannot know what fury this will strike in the hearts of gun owners if the AWB renewal is attached to this bill. He just figures the base has nowhere to go.

His father made the same mistake in 1992. Only this time there is no Ross Perot to give vent to the frustration of the base.

We'll see how it turns out.

[Uncle Jaque]

2 RINOs here.

Have already called the only one I even almost trust in regards to this bill, and to beg for the "sunset" of the stoopid AWB.

But for what it's worth...

Just sent this via the contact web site:

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"RE: S. 1805

Senator Collins:

It has come to our attention that S.1805, a bill to protect legitimate manufacturers and commercial dealers from being victimized and potentially driven from their lawful enterprise by trivial and predatory litigation, has been subjected to as many as 14 "Ammendments" to date.

We also understand (please correct me if I am misinformed) that most if not all of these ammendments have been imposed by the advesaries of our Constitutional Rights as law-abiding, free American Citizens - specifically under the Second Ammendment in our Bill of Rights - in order to effectively neutralize S.1805 or convert it into an agent of expanding repression and tyranny, contrary to it's original intent.

As my Representative to the U.S. Senate, please consider my strenuous objection to ANY such malicious or irrelavent ammendments being attached to this bill, and my reccomendation that if at all possible, the passage of S.1805 as a "Clean" bill, and by a vote in which all votes are RECORDED, rather than a "voice vote", so that all Senators so voting may be held accountable to their Constituents, as well as to the American People, for their position on this issue.

Although neither a Lawyer nor a "Constitutional Scholar", it strikes me that any law which prohibits peaceable American Citizens from even posessing the material means by which one might possibly engage in criminal behavior, in the absence of any cogent evidence or reasonable suspicion that said Citizen may indeed be preparing to or even likely to engage in said criminal behavior, represents a gross violation of the "Due Proccess" clause of our Constitution.

By "Criminalizing" the posession and/or bearing of arms, as provided for in our Second Ammendment, have we not initiated a precident by which other "potential" criminal behavior might be legislatively "prevented" by the prohibition of both tangable assetts and / or written intellectual material concievably useful in such activity?

How long will it be before the very spoken word, if deemed to be unacceptably critical of the powers that be (by said powers, naturally) are sanctioned by the force of Law?

Then how long before our very thoughts and beliefs must meet with the approval of those in power over us, lest we be cast amongst the "criminal element" and treated accordingly?

Now you may think my concerns absurd; exaggerated well beyond the boundries of intelligent reasoning...

But does not History teach us (if we would care to listen, that is) that just such insiduous "progressions" of power and the natural, concurrent repressions of Human Rights have not only enslaved millions of Human Beings -
but just within the past 75 years or so, exterminated millions of them?

"Absurd" - "paranoid"...? Really?

Tell that to the Survivors of the last Holocaust, a few of which are still among us.

There seems to be rising concern in this Nation - particularly among those of us who are paying a little attention to both History and our ever-expanding and intrusive Government - that the Rights, Responsibilities, and Liberties of the American People are being continually and eggregiously erroded by those more than willing to employ deciet, intruige, and subtrifuge in order to enhance their own power and wealth at the expense of our Constitution and the Republic it has sustained for lo, these some 220 years now.

And so I implore you, as a duly elected Member of the United States Senate, to maintain all due diligence and trust not only to your Oath of Office, and to our Constitution and your Constituents - but to those who by their inspired and couragous sacrifices have, over the Centuries, and continue yet, to defend and protect this grand experiment of Liberty and decency - the United States of America!

Thank you for your consideration;

"Uncle Jaque"
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Do you think I was too vague?

[NRA2BFree]

This message has been brough to you by the Orwell Fund Office of Public Awareness.

lol.. You know there is something terribly wrong when a government has to arm it*s employees to protect them from the citizens. I remember when the IRS purchased all the guns for their agents. Of course, that would be the branch of the government that needs the most protecting. :)

[Travis McGee]

Good point: NO VOICE VOTE!

We need to see who the traitors are, both 'rats and rinos.

[NRA2BFree]

Do you think I was too vague?

No, not at all. I think it*s a great letter. In fact, if you don*t mind I*m going to use part of it. I*ve already called my Senators several times today. I try to disguise my voice but I*m sure they have an idea that it*s the same lady calling back. lol Oh well, at least they know I*m passionate about this issue. :)