Progress of SB 659 NOTIC! AMENDMENTS!

108th Congress site ^ | 2/27/04 | SELF

[Ms12Gauge]

I looked up SB 659, curious, after a couple of days of battering around, if they had burdened it with crapola, as usual. I found a NO AMENDMENT note. THEN I happened to scan the list of bills pending and in discussion, and see another bill with a similar title. Clicked THERE< and this is what I found. While we are watching 659, they are cramming all make and manner of GARBAGE on another version. Check out some of the amendment attempts. Good LORD!

[Ms12Gauge]

S.AMDT.2621 Amendment SA 2621 proposed by Senator Daschle. (consideration: CR S1616-1620; text: CR S1616) To clarify the definition of qualified civil liability action, and for other purposes. 2/26/2004: S.AMDT.2621 Amendment SA 2621 agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote.

I don't know what this amendment included, but you can bet it's BS, if Dashole is involved!

[Ms12Gauge]

S.AMDT.2629 Amendment SA 2629 proposed by Senator Corzine. (consideration: CR S1663-1666, S1670; text: CR S1663) To protect the rights of law enforcement officers who are victimized by crime to secure compensation from those who participate in the arming of criminals.

And this makes sense WHY? MAN! The CRAP we are paying these idiots to conjure up is insane! And even MORE insane is the FACT that most people haven't a clue, and couldn't care less. My phone bills are getting outta hand, trying to stay ahead of the idiots in charge, and keep them thinking about we the schmucks who PAY them!

[Ms12Gauge]

Please PING everyone on your lists! I don't have much of a PING list anymore. Been away too long. Thanks!

[skip2myloo]

Bump for later

[Ms12Gauge]

BUMP AGAIN! Thanks! Will try to do this again in the morning.

[aomagrat]

S. 1805 (A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition) has become the omnibus gun control bill. Tell your senators to oppose this BS now.

[sauropod]

Looks like the Boxer amendment has been agreed to.
not good. Not good at all.

[sauropod]

Ping.

[Ms12Gauge]

A PING, Cause we ALL should be calling faxing and writing Senators like MAD right now, BEFORE this list of amendments gets out of hand. They are all inSANE!!! >

And, just for fun...

Doctors:

a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

c. An accidental death per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services)

Guns:

a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.

b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.

c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

[El Gato]

Looks like the Boxer amendment has been agreed to. not good. Not good at all

While not good, it's not as bad as is was before the Kohl amendment to the Boxer amendment, which (I think) removed the Consumer Product Safety Commission from the approval loop for the "child safety" devices. If they'd been in the loop, you'd have to lock up your gun, with a device that weighed about 10 pounds, and had to either be an integral part of the gun, or permanently attached to it.

[kcar]

80,000,000 gun owners. And all FoxNews seems to cover are things like Haiti, Israel, Iraq and the hunt for Bin Laden, most of which (in reverse order)I'd be interested in hearing about, AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT MY OWN FREEDOMS ARE SECURE.

Hey FoxNews, if you are lurking, the Second Amendment is not a dirty little brown-bag issue. Cover it.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Text of the Second Amendment
"A well regulated Militia
being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Anyone who actually reads AND understands the 2nd Amendment will see that there is no need or authority for any type of gun registration and there is no need for anyone to have to apply for a license to carry a gun.
Any political party, politician, judge (etc), organization or individual who trys to convince you that:
1) you must register a firearm
2) you must pass a background check
3) you must wait (x) amount of days before you can get your firearm
4) you need to have a license to carry a gun
is either uneducated about OUR rights as citizens
OR is actively working to undermine OUR country.

How Did the Founders Understand the Second Amendment?

CONGRESS in 1866, 1941 and 1986 REAFFIRMS THE SECOND AMENDMENT
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment right to keep and bear firearms,
originated in the United States Congress in 1789 before being ratified by the States.
On three occasions since then--in 1866, 1941, and 1986--
Congress enacted statutes to reaffirm this guarantee of personal freedom
and to adopt specific safeguards to enforce it.

ON THE DAY BEFORE Thanksgiving 1993,
the 103d US Congress brought forth a constitutional turkey.
The 103d Congress decided that the Second Amendment did not mean what it said
("...shall not be infringed") and passed the Brady bill.
How the Brady Bill Passed (and subsequently - "Instant Check")
When the Brady Bill was passed into law on November 24, 1993,
the Senate voted on the Conference Report
and passed the Brady Bill by UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

[Badray]

Of course this presumes that the figure for the doctors is really only accidental deaths. At the rate which 'medical misadventures' occur and kill people, maybe they aren't all accidents. ;-)

Now, if you look at ALL firearms deaths - approximately 40,000 (including intentional deaths - murder and suicide) per year, the deaths per gun owners is still only .0005 making your chances of a doctor killing you almost 3450 times greater than being killed by gunfire.

[Shooter 2.5]

Here is the link to the *Bang_List.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/involved?group=152

Just bookmark it for future reference. If you go back to when 1805 was first introduced, you'll see threads that included the Senate live feed with video. There are also contact numbers. The vote on the Bill and the amendments will be on Tuesday.

[NRA2BFree]

It's a fact that there are MANY enemies of gun owners. The Senate will vote on Tuesday. Call and write to your Senators and let them know what you think about this. Call Monday and Tuesday. We've got to keep the pressure on them.

[lentulusgracchus]

It's a fact that there are MANY enemies of gun owners.

It's fair to say, unfortunately, that a majority of people have by now bought the lies that proponents of a Government of Inherent Authority (i.e. the Left meme) have been pushing.

Notwithstanding that RKBA is enshrined in the Constitution, relatively few people have the requisite understanding of the Framers' intentions, or the patience to learn, or even to defend their rights, that will be necessary to defend this right against the baying of the pack in years to come.

The Pew Center, in measuring America for its socialist knife, produced a typology of the American electorate in 1999. Only two or three of the nine or ten broad lifestyle blocs actually support RKBA. In the GOP, the business bloc or wing of the party is an especial danger. Dealing with money and people, and principally engaged in separating the former from the latter, businessmen have no love of the idea of an armed citizenry. Their guilty consciences love the idea of gun control. They are the most dangerous group to RKBA right now.

Watch out for signs that Bush/Ashcroft are "playing to lose" on RKBA issues. I realize that in the Emerson case, Ashcroft filed a brief stating that RKBA is an individual right. While that is a significant defi to offer the Left, what a lot of people missed was that Ashcroft and his Solicitor General, Ted Olson, didn't throw the other shoe: that the right cannot be infringed. They left the door open to "reasonable" gun control -- the kind the business community likes. The kind that will get your firearm, but not Donald Trump's or Punch Sulzberger's.

[Ms12Gauge]

Just another BUMP! We MUST keep the steady stream of calls and faxes and letters going non stop til they GET it. If only we could all just astral project to DC for the day here and there.. what a statement all of us could make, standing out front.. shouting and passing out copies of the Bill of Rights. *grin*

[King Prout]

bang

[NRA2BFree]

Just another BUMP! We MUST keep the steady stream of calls and faxes and letters going non stop til they GET it. If only we could all just astral project to DC for the day here and there.. what a statement all of us could make, standing out front.. shouting and passing out copies of the Bill of Rights. *grin*

Yep, I agree, so I'll give it a BUMP for the Bill of Rights. I think it would be fun to be there and to toss a few of the anti-gunners in the drink too. lol.. Us girls have to be tough on this stuff. :)