An index of American decline

World Net Daily ^ | Feb. 23, 2004 | Patrick Buchanan

[hedgetrimmer]

The multilateral trading system is one of the major achievements in the area of global governance of the 20th Century.

The multilateral trading system is a core principle of the WTO. The multilateral trading system is used to promote global governance.

So you thnk the WTO is just about trade?

[skip2myloo]

No, I think we can trade globally without WTO (or G9 or FTAA or Kyoto) and I'm certainly opposed to bodies whose purpose is to govern globally.

Both domestically and internationally, I agree with this statement:

"Government is not the solution to the problem. Government is the problem" - Ronald Reagan

[GOP_1900AD]

Once Boeing effectively relocates to the PRC this one will be even more under threat.... also, one thing Pat may have overlooked, is, the likelihood that our #1 export 20 years from now will be pornography! :(

[WilliamofCarmichael]

To make your question fit reality, IMO, the Indians would have to be exporting the cars back to India. They are here because wages are too high in India. Their American partners would retain the right to sell to Americans -- if there were any Americans who could afford them. Yes, let the Americans work for the Indians. They can steal the IP easier that way.

Finally, America would have to ruled by tyrants who permitted "captialism" in a few areas of the country.

I am not against free trade and comparative advantages. What's happening ain't free trade.

[raloxk]

"even as we are destroying manufacturing jobs at a rate of 77,000 per month in the United States."

this 77,000 per month si a lie. Pat must not be aware but manufacturing jobs losses since late fall have been on the order of a few thousand per month.

Emanwhile in 1999, the economy lost over 200,000 manufacturing jobs and that was during a boom

[Paul Ross]

Bump! Notice how the "christian capitalism", identified by George Gilder, and championed by Ronald Reagan appears to have vanished from all discussion by the apostles of Free Trade?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

You left out OPIC, Ex-Im Bank, and various government programs for our "capitalists" that help assume business risks, costs of promoting and setting up businesses "over there."

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Sorry, I left out what I was responding to. It was

"We want limited government, except for draconian fiscal, monetary and isolationist trade policies, oversight of greedy corporations, and government guarantees for jobs, a high minimum wage and unlimited benefits, even for those flipping burgers in an entry level job."

[skip2myloo]

Agreed, we didn't need all those organizations to trade globally for 200 years and we don't need them now, all they do is subvert the autonomy of sovereign nations.

If I want to buy a boat load of bananas from Central America or a container of perfume from France (this is purely speculative), I don't need any help from the WTO, or anybody else.

If the U.S. wants to levy a tariff when it gets here, we'll deal with that later -- but, not through the World Bank or WTO.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Excellent points.

Another question. Why can't "free" traders understand your questions?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

I did it again. I left out the original post ref. Here it is.

"Let India develop its own IT industries. Let them use their educated citizens and their capital and their lower wages and standard of living to build industries that compete with their US counterparts, and then lets see IndiaSoft and India Business Machines make it on the world stage.

"Why hasn't that happened already? Why is India's method of 'creating' their industry to have US companies essentially ship them ours?"

I'll just add one more question. If they are that smart where have they been for the past hundreds of years? Ditto all the other "ten-foot-tall" prizes our corporations chase.

[Tauzero]

You hussy.

;)

[Tauzero]

" Build the moat, for the chilrun'!"

Dang right. And stock it with piranha.

[MissAmericanPie]

Absolutely, the Fed is determined to wipe out the reputation of the USofA as a Christian nation. It has declared war on the Christian religion.

[applemac_g4]

>Other than changing the world, what's your practical,
>pragmatic, real-world solution ??

An exchange rate linked tariff that taxes goods coming into the United States from overseas. An outright ban on importing goods from China.

>Become communists so we can compete with the
>Chinese on their own turf ??

Nope. Let the Chinese keep their own turf, we'll keep ours.

>BTW, where are Mac G4s manufactured these days ??
>Somewhere in Asia, right ??

Unfortunately, yes. If you happen to know of a computer that's manufactured within the United States, that will be my next machine. Both my Macs are many years old now, and sometime within the next few years, both will be up for replacement.

I do not buy foreign products when an American alternative exists.

[skip2myloo]

Yup, I figured that out -- but I should've put a /sarcasm tag on it.

[skip2myloo]

I can agree with all of that

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "Class warfare from a FReeper!? Dude, it's very tellin' that you're so not gellin'!"

This reminds me so much of the Goldwater debates in the 1960s. The Rockerfeller Republicans v. the "blue collar" unwashed Goldwater conservatives.

I'll never forget that picture of Nelson Rockefeller at the podium in S.F. (1964 convention), a broad, evil grin on has face looking toward the Goldwater delegates, his fist clenched and a single very rigid finger extending upward.

Now it's a "globalist" Rockefeller but the same finger.

[MissAmericanPie]

I spent years puzzling over the seeming paradoxes of scriptures. "Love thy enemy, pray for them that spitefully use you", yet, "don't even eat with someone that says they believe and don't live like it", and, scriptures like, "Go and preach the good news to all the world", yet, "make of yourselves a people set apart a peculiar people".

I have come to understand how they fit together, at least I think I have. The kingdom of God is not made up of just Americans, or just Frenchmen, or just caucasions or just blacks, the kingdom of God is made up of every race, language, nation, and tongue, but they are ALL believers. These are our brothers and sisters, will we always get along on this earth? Nope. Christians argue, they fight, they have different ideas, and can get just as nasty as anyone else in a business deal gone bad and sue each other instead of taking it to a religious leader to settle such disputes. Canada and the US are composed of mostly Christians, Cananda sues the USofA over additives to gasoline, they may win in an international court that wants to take a slap at the USofA, but God may have a differnt take on it and Canada may pay the price somewhere else economically or in some other manner, perhaps spiritually.

God has told us to go and preach the gospel to the whole world, how they receive it determines their blessings or non-blessings. We are to be charitable, to a point, but if the word is rejected we shake the dust off and move on leaving them for God to deal with. When all of mankind comes under the same laws and the same authority that is not of God, does not respect the rights of the individual then nothing but tragedy can be the outcome. Pure unrestrained Democracy is a form of government that can strip the individuals liberty and self determination far more than any other form of government. The individual is stripped of his freedom by both the tyranny of the majority and the tyranny of the minority. Our founders understood this and developed the Electoral College to prevent just such tyranny by heavily populated areas over less populated states.

Our government uses which ever one is handy to direct us the way they want us to go. The minority doesn't want smoking in public, the majority wants you to use your private property, or not use it, however the government directs you to.

We know that God does not approve of globalism, that should be enough of a reason to resist it. We resist it not only for our own sakes, but for the sake of all of mankind, believer and non-believer, that will find themselves suffering under the same dictator as we. In Daniel, God lays out all the, ever going to exist world empires, under the rule of one man . Each one less powerful than the one before, encompassing less and less with less riches, till it comes to the final global dictator, the one that is the result of one world globalism.

His kingdom is made up of ten nations of the old roman empire, remember though that the old roman empire had two legs, just like the statue in Daniel had two legs. One leg was made up of the European nations, and one was made up of middle eastern nations. This rulers power over the lives of individuals will be so all encompassing that the individual cannot even buy or sell a toothpick without permission, the mark of the beast. Yet his power over the governments of the skittish nations will not be all that strong.

Each nation fearful of not getting it's slice of the pie, or fear of not being the most favored, the fear by politicians of losing their power, will all contribute to this empires weakness even though the entire world joins it.

So while each nation is perfectly willing to sacrifice the freedom of the individual to this dictator, it's a whole nother matter when it comes to the rights, power, and expectations of the big dogs.

That is exactly what we are seeing going on in the E.U. right now. It is exactly the kind of infighting we are seeing in OPEC. And it is exactly the kind of trouble this last global dictator will face. It takes him three and a half years to set up, he rules for three and a half killing off Christians and other desenters, then it all blows up in his face, along with the entire world as it decends into WW3.

This is why I am against artificially manipulated Free Trade and globalism. It's going to look real good and profitable for some, and for some time, until the entire world is under international law as it creeps in as the last defining word, not the Constitution and it's Bill of Rights. The USofA is the leader of a world, even though hated, we should not be leading the world into globalism.

[Clintonfatigued]

It sounds like America is dying of free trade. You have done an excellent job of pointing out what's happening to the country. Is there any feasible solution?