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We Are Not Alone, Mr. Farah, But We May Be Losing
The Autonomist ^ | 2/19/04 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 02/20/2004 7:36:33 AM PST by Hank Kerchief

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Are you afraid of guns?

If your kids go to public school, they're going to be.

Hank

1 posted on 02/20/2004 7:36:34 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Fzob; P.O.E.; PeterPrinciple; reflecting; DannyTN; FourtySeven; x; dyed_in_the_wool; Zon; ...
This is not exactly a philosophy article. It's about what happens to a society when there is no philosophy.

PHILOSOPHY PING

(If you want on or off this list please freepmail me.)

Hank

2 posted on 02/20/2004 7:39:08 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; Khepera; M Kehoe; Badray; TXnMA; serinde; ...
To those interested in Guns and our right to have and use them. This is not a ping list -- we thought you just might be interest in this article.

Hank
3 posted on 02/20/2004 7:42:13 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
The NRA gets some of my money every year, and I keep re-loading.
4 posted on 02/20/2004 7:42:48 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Hank Kerchief
I graduated from public school almost two years ago this June.

I'm starting to think I just barely missed the boat on radical liberalism.
5 posted on 02/20/2004 7:45:11 AM PST by Terpfen (Hajime Katoki: if you know who he is, then just his name is enough.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Somewhat off the point, but I've been reading most of the novels of Connie Willis recently, and they are uniformly splendid.

Anyway, one of them, "Bellwether," is a comic novel about fads, conformity, and the sheeplike behavior of human beings, in following whatever fashions are chic at the moment, whether hair bobbing, hula hoops, or tongue piercing.

Among other things, the novel points out that "aversion fads" are usually even stronger than other positive fads. The most famous aversion fad was Prohibition. The particular aversion fad mocked in the novel is Fear of Smoking. You are dealing with the same kind of strongly irrational behavior in Fear of Guns or Fear of Nail Clippers. I don't know what the answer is, but gun advocates need to understand the true depths and irrationality of this faddish aversion to guns.
6 posted on 02/20/2004 7:50:55 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Anyone ought to be able to sell any kind of gun they choose, anywhere they want.

They already do.

It's the Constitutionally guaranteed right to unlimited private contract.

And it scares the crap out of the government.

7 posted on 02/20/2004 7:51:48 AM PST by MamaTexan (I’m becoming highly intolerant of tolerance!)
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To: dansangel
ping.............................................
8 posted on 02/20/2004 7:57:09 AM PST by .45MAN
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To: MamaTexan
I wish it was a right, and I wish it was even close to unlimited. But it is neither.
9 posted on 02/20/2004 8:04:02 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Anyone ought to be able to sell any kind of gun they choose, anywhere they want.

I take issue with that statement. The words "anyone" and "any kind" do not further the cause of the RKBA. It is what the general public thinks is true, as opposed to the reality of thousands gun laws in the US.

So before we can have and use a gun we have to spend hours and money on "certified" instructors for everyone in the family, continually. Is that discouraging? Of course. Is that absurd? You bet!

BS! I spent hours at the range and in the field with my father. I doubt if it was cheap. To get a California hunting license at 12 years old, I had to go through a state sponsored NRA safety course. By the time I was drafted, in 1967, I was competent with firearms. This process of training no longer exists. A young person now learns how to handle a gun from an unrealistic Hollywood movie. People object to Hollywood giving their kids sex instruction, but turn a blind eye to "Hollywood gun instruction" and its exploitation of gun violence. At the same time, "Hollywood" officially supports gun control when the gun has been the unnamed co-star of more movies than any actor or actress.

If the above article is the best we can do, the RKBA is doomed.

10 posted on 02/20/2004 8:12:56 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Hank Kerchief
If your kids go to public school, they're going to be.

And if they're not they will be afraid to (publicly) admit it.

11 posted on 02/20/2004 8:20:03 AM PST by templar
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To: Hank Kerchief; .45MAN
It may be too late for them to convince the adults who have seen to much of this world to be taken in by their deceitful intimidation, but their real target is not this generation, it is the next. And they are winning.

Bingo. My grown daughter and S-I-L (who served 4 and 1/2 years in the Air Force!) think .45MAN and I are "gun nuts" and would *never* consider having a gun in their house. It bothers me - a lot - because they live and work in the DC area and believe a can of pepper spray will save them from any possible attack.

Much of this problem can be attributed to me - who didn't learn the virtue of gun ownership until I was in my 40's (thanks to .45MAN). I hope and pray my daughter and S-I-L won't take that long. The world continues to deteriorate rapidly and they need to protect themselves *now*.

Parents - teach your children at an early age that guns are not "icky" - that guns are the *only* means for self-preservation. I agree whole-heartedly with this article that this is where we are losing the most ground to the grabbers.

Thank you Hank and .45MAN for the ping.

12 posted on 02/20/2004 8:22:21 AM PST by dansangel (*PROUD to be a knuckle-dragging, toothless, inbred, right-wing, Southern, gun-toting Neanderthal *)
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To: templar
What a world! Homos proudly prance down to city hall to get "married," while gun owners have to hide in the safe, shamefully concealing their "vice" from their neighbors.

The world is turned upside down.


13 posted on 02/20/2004 8:24:34 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Hank Kerchief
"The case of the Ohio sniper is a perfect illustration of the dangers of disarming the public—and leaving crime-prevention and deterrence to the government."

Bad example. Carrying a firearm in your vehicle will not prevent some whacko from firing at you from cover a quarter mile away.

On the other hand, if you just happen to see him fire at another vehicle you are in a position to take him down. Then YOU go to jail!

Everybody who is not a criminal, drunk or crazy should be allowed to carry at will, but better examples exist to make the point.

14 posted on 02/20/2004 8:25:36 AM PST by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: MamaTexan
They already do.

Sort of, and depending on locality. Generally only non NFA firearms are allowed and acceptable configurations of pre and post ban "assualt" weapons.

In Colorado you can still legally buy and sell privately, but that was heavily restricted by Gov. Bill Owens (a true Republican hero) a couple of years ago. It can no longer be done in any public manner (gun shows) and now has the implied connotation of underground or black market dealings if you do (almost secretly) sell privately. We can still legally advertise our firearms publicly in Newspapers and Internet ads, but I expect the Pubbies to get rid of that option as soon as they think they can get away with it.

What's it like in Texas nowadays?

15 posted on 02/20/2004 8:35:34 AM PST by templar
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To: elbucko
BS! I spent hours at the range and in the field with my father. I doubt if it was cheap. To get a California hunting license at 12 years old, I had to go through a state sponsored NRA safety course.

So, what you are saying is that anyone ought to be able to have and use a firearm as long as it is the way you think they should have and use one.

Sorry! Anything that is required before someone can buy and carry a firearm is an infringement. Besides, all these self-proclaime firearms elites are spreading the same kind of paranoid fear of firearms the anti-gun terrorists are. Cars and guns are both dangerous, and guns are a lot simpler to safely use than cars. Anyone who cannot learn to use a firearm well and safely, entirely on their own, certainly won't be able to drive a car.

Sorry if this bursts your bubble, but firearms are just not rocket-science. Some very stupid people use firearms well and safely, and without spending all their money and time on training and practice. If anyone should not be allowed to have a firearm it is someone who truly believes they must have training to do it.

(I know this is not true, but your words would seem appropriate coming from a cop or an NRA shill. They are not appropriate from someone who really understand the nature of RKBA.)

Hank

16 posted on 02/20/2004 8:36:48 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: MamaTexan
Hank Kerchief:
"Anyone ought to be able to sell any kind of gun they choose, anywhere they want."


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They already do.

It's the Constitutionally guaranteed right to unlimited private contract.
And it scares the crap out of the government.
7 posted on 02/20/2004 7:51:48 AM PST by MamaTexan






We do it, - but if we get caught doing it in CA, its worth about 10 years..
17 posted on 02/20/2004 8:39:36 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines conservatism; - not the GOP. .)
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To: templar
What's it like in Texas nowadays?

Still pretty good. Don't know any particulars about assault types, but if you shoot someone messing with your property after dark, the police just fill out a bunch of paperwork, call for a pick-up, and go away.

18 posted on 02/20/2004 8:43:22 AM PST by MamaTexan (I’m becoming highly intolerant of tolerance!)
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To: Cicero
Anyway, one of them, "Bellwether," ...

Thank you. I am a voracious reader; remember hearing this title and description, and was interested in finding the book, but forgot the author's name, and the whole thing just got crowded out by new interests. So your post was both interesting, and nice reminder. I'll get it before I forget again.

Hank

19 posted on 02/20/2004 8:43:37 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Travis McGee
What a world! Homos proudly prance down to city hall to get "married," while gun owners have to hide in the safe, shamefully concealing their "vice" from their neighbors. The world is turned upside down.

How true! When we moved, we brought our guns into the house at night for fear our neighbors might call the cops!

20 posted on 02/20/2004 8:49:48 AM PST by RightWingMama
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