Schwarzenegger: Gay marriage licenses illegal

CNN ^ | 02/20/04 | CNN

[ClintonBeGone]

A spouse may inherit 100%of the estate tax free, and also will get a stepped up basis on any real property (house, land, etc) that is part of the estate.

Anyone who inherits gets a stepped up basis - they need not be your spouse. And the person who inherits something upon your death doesn't pay the tax, your estate does. By 2010 the estate tax will be completely phased out, so this example is really moot.

Clamboat, you may have jumped on the pro-homo bandwagon, but you're not allowed to hijack the facts and hold them hostage.

[ClintonBeGone]

Arnold has responded. This will get interesting.

Time for the McClintock pukes to show up and eat their cake. The Terminator has said Staaaaaaaap!

[ClintonBeGone]

This can't be true -- after all, Arnold is a RINO who will just cave-in. At least that's what I'm supposed to believe based on many comments I read here at FR.

LOL Lets rub their face in it, those McClintock punks.

[ClintonBeGone]

Arnold IS a RINO, he should have jumped all over this on day one instead of waiting a week.

What a pathetic statement. That's exactly what the homos wanted from him - a knee jerk reaction. Fortunately, not everyone is as stupid as those that like to call the Governor names.

[ClintonBeGone]

Let us know when you move to CA and start paying taxes here. RINOld has reneged on his promise to not allow illegals to obtain drivers licenses(there's a new bill in the legislature which will give illegals drivers licenses that Muscle-head has said he would sign if passed)

Hey Kelly, the elction is over. McClintock LOST. He lost BIG TIME. He lost BIG TIME for the second time in less than two years. His supporters lost. His supporters lost BIG TIME. His supporters lost BIG TIME for the second time in less than a year.

When you can come up with a more substantial threat than a bill in the legislature, not even enacted, please let us know. Until then, appreciate the fact that AS got that license bill signed and repealed. I hope the rest of the ungrateful McClintock losers go to SF and jump off an orange bridge.

[ClintonBeGone]

I certainly don't agree with that, but that also doesn't mean I'm going to make things up about what he said like you have.

Sore LOSERS are like that RW. Sad and very pathetic, but that's what happens when you continue to bet on the losing horse.

[kellynla]

"sore losers?" we didn't lose. we won. AND WITHOUT YOUR HELP OUT-OF-STATER! We recalled the Dimwit Davis, we just have to wet nurse a RINOld for the next two years. same applies to you, let us know when you move to CA and start paying the freight around here. In the mean time those of us who have actually been in the fight here will continue to fight and those of you out-of-staters who have nothing to lose can sit behind your pc's and watch and criticize us. I have two words for you and they aren't happy birthday. LOL We are going to continue to hold the RINOld's
feet to the fire. It must be working 'cause he finally told the AG to stop the bleeding in SF. In the mean time, you can get off your high horse and quit criticizing those of us who are actually doing something besides sitting on their fat asses and criticizing those of us who are doing something.

[ClintonBeGone]

In the mean time, you can get off your high horse and quit criticizing those of us who are actually doing something besides sitting on their fat asses and criticizing those of us who are doing something.

You've spent more time on this website critzing AS than you ever did working for that loser McClintock. You deserve to be shut out like a drunk at closing time. California is in the mess it's in because selfish self-centered people like McClintock and his supporters have tried to destroy the GOP for their own personal ambitions. The recall was successful DESPITE the damage you tried to do. And us out of staters have as much at stake in this as those that live in Cali. Think Bush. Think Nov 2, 2004.

[Hotdog]

Well...they can't make babies...if you need more info go talk to your parents

[glennaro]

You may be correct about the filters, but I think this is another attempt to soften the impact of "same-sex marriages" by renaming them "same-gender marriages."

As Dennis Prager has noted, "sex" is definitive -- you're either male or female -- whereas one's "gender" refers to how one "feels" on a particular day.

[Chris Talk]

Since the reference was to Arnold S and Maria Shriver, they actually HAVE made babies, in this case four of them.

[kellynla]

Your ignorance of CA politics and the recall is laughable. Because of people like me the recall was successful. The difference between me and you is that I have a right to criticize what's happening in MY state, since I live, work and pay taxes in CA and you don't. Mind your own business and clean up MI and you'll be doing something constructive. Keep your inane comments and criticisms of what we are doing here to yourself because we sure as hell aren't interested in hearing them. ROFLMAO

[ClintonBeGone]

Because of people like me the recall was successful.

You and McClintock keep telling yourselves that while the rest of us sit back and laugh as Arnold rolls over you and the other leftists that attack him.

[clamboat]

Anyone who inherits gets a stepped up basis - they need not be your spouse. And the person who inherits something upon your death doesn't pay the tax, your estate does. By 2010 the estate tax will be completely phased out, so this example is really moot.

That verbal parsing is worthy of Clinton! "the person who inherits something upon your death doesn't pay the tax, your estate does." - What BS! Like that makes a difference! The fact is the money is gone, and people to are allowed to get married by the state do not have to forfeit that tax. Talk about intentionally misleading the debate. "oh no, you don't pay the tax, the estate does, so that makes it all ok :-)".

[ClintonBeGone]

I noticed you forgot to address where I pointed out your error on the stepped up basis. I guess sometimes when I'm right you ignore the point, and other times you call me names. I think the readers here will use your response to determine what weight, if any, to give your minority opinion.

[clamboat]

I noticed you forgot to address where I pointed out your error on the stepped up basis. I guess sometimes when I'm right you ignore the point, and other times you call me names. I think the readers here will use your response to determine what weight, if any, to give your minority opinion.

Nope, you were right about the basis and I was wrong. Anybody who inherits property gets a stepped up basis, but unless you are the spouse, you may be taxed (depending on the value) on that property by both the feds and the state. In 2010 that tax goes away untirely, but then in 2011 it will return to levels even higher than today, barring action by congress to make the repeal permanent. We both know that married couples are treated differently, so what's to argue?

And since you want me to address every niggling point you try to make, I do not recall calling you names.

My point is that people who love each other should be allowed some form of civil union that enjoys equal treatment under the law. In 1997 the GAO identified 1,049 laws in the United States Code in which marital status is a factor (GAO/OGC Report No. 97-16). There are also thousands of state lwas that only applied to married couples. If we can find a way to treat commited couples to equal protection under the law, then yes, I am for it. I'm not wild about marriage being the only answer, but those who oppose gay marriage won't even let civil unions be recognized.

[Windsong]

You're as sharp as an orange.

[ClintonBeGone]

My point is that people who love each other should be allowed some form of civil union that enjoys equal treatment under the law.

It's very simple - any single man or any single woman of the appropriate age may get married. In order to enjoy certain benefits, the law puts certain conditions on the marriage. Everyone is treated equally, they're all subject to the same conditions. No one is being discriminated against.

[ClintonBeGone]

You're as sharp as an orange.

Wind, I've found him to be one of the least informed posters on this site. It takes a while to learn to simply laugh at his foibles.

[ClintonBeGone]

but those who oppose gay marriage won't even let civil unions be recognized.

I'm sorry if I disagree with you on the issue of recognizing ANAL rights.