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California Gun Violation - Section 12280 - Seeking Advice

Posted on 02/18/2004 3:23:30 PM PST by pennysaver

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To: pennysaver
One of the main sticking points is that my wife and I lost the original paper work for the guns during a move several years ago

Try your collection of old canceled checks or your old banking records or look up your old bank and have them reproduce photostats of the old checks.

An old bank warrant made out to a gun shop may help you establish a contemporaneous record that alludes to facts not in evidence. This could be enough to sway a jury in regards to your credibility over the issue of legitimate purchase.

41 posted on 02/18/2004 6:53:24 PM PST by Amerigomag
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[(e) is re. sentence enhancement from doing other crime plus a crime defined in 12280.]

(e) Notwithstanding Section 654 or any other provision of law, any person who commits another crime while violating this section [12280] may receive an additional, consecutive punishment of one year for violating this section in addition and consecutive to the punishment, including enhancements, which is prescribed for the other crime.

There is some very good options posted ahead of me, this section I posted on 12280pc is if the firearm was used in the commission of a crime while violating the register order, this would give the judge the option of the mandatory 1yr. sentence. My advice is if you want to fight this you will need more than a yellow page lawyer, the pc violation for 12280 is very confusing, you'll need a lawyer in this field, try calling some gun shops, they would know who to steer you to.

The other option is to do a plea with the da, that is what I would do. Your lawyer will be able to negotiate a deal that could even let you keep the fire arms, and pay the fine and re-register your guns. Let us know how it comes out.......

42 posted on 02/18/2004 7:07:28 PM PST by jdontom (BacktheBadge)
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To: pennysaver
Try freepmailing "Hangfire".
43 posted on 02/18/2004 9:04:55 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: pennysaver
You've got FReepmail;-)
44 posted on 02/18/2004 9:44:30 PM PST by HangFire (Keep it simple and things won't get complicated.)
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To: wadeintothem
Also you might look into joining the CA State Military Reserve... that way you are a member of the standing official CA Military Dept. State Militia and fall under 2nd amend protections under even the most strict interpretation of the 2nd amend.

Not quite. During the Clinton administration, in the Emersson case at the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals, the US Government argued that even possession by members of the organized militia, which they defined as the National Guard, was not protected, unless the weapons were issued by the state and used in performance of official duties. In other words when Madison wrote, and all the rest read and approved "right of the people" they really meant "right of the state". The court did not look kindly on that arguement (it was loaded with Texas Aggies :), and all of the Judges were Texans, IIRC ), but ruled against Emerson anyway, just barely and on very narrow grounds.

45 posted on 02/19/2004 8:26:48 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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hey thanks for that info... I'm going to look that up.
46 posted on 02/19/2004 8:54:27 AM PST by wadeintothem (www.NoJohnKerry.org - Stop Hanoi John!)
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The DA will likely allow you to plea bargain down to surrendering your firearms without a conviction for the misdemeanors on your record.

Excellent! Confiscation, without any criminal charges. "We will allow you to simply surrender your guns!" Why, what a great deal!

47 posted on 02/19/2004 9:24:44 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan
Precisely.
48 posted on 02/19/2004 9:46:40 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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