Have the neocons killed a presidency?

worldnetdaily.com ^ | February 16, 2004 | Pat Buchanan

[Destro]

Reagan demanded THEY tear down the wall themselves for themselves - he did not say WE will tear it down for you. Understand the difference?

[Destro]

This guy liked to wear wigs but I like him anyway: "Warnings of a Parting Friend (US Foreign Policy Envisioned by George Washington in his Farewell Address)"

[Texasforever]

Oh you mean the GW that relied on France to help win the Revolution? That isolationist?

[MEG33]

My dear,I have discovered some wish us to return to the 1780s.I cannot take the word conservative to mean one thing.

Stick to the Constitution or the Constitution did not mention doing something or another....(like planes,trains and automobiles,electricity,refigeration,telephones,trips to the moon and nuclear power,radio,TV,satellites,or computers.)It did not abolish slavery or give women the right to vote until later.

[lelio]

Haliburton is a Democratic linked organization - out of LBJ's Texas.

KBR was out of LBJ, and Halliburton was run by VP Cheney. Democrat, Republican, does it matter when you deal with the government on the scale that they do?

[nopardons]

I do, but obviously you don't. :-)

Pat is a loon.This article of his and the use of neocon ( his code for JEWS )as a pejorative, is pathetic, irrelevant, mindless and worthless to all, but his sycophants.

[Texasforever]

Do you belong to this organizations?

http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0428-04.htm

[Fabozz]

Pat's making no sense here at all. There are only two possibilites: Either Saddam was a threat to Israel or he was not. If he was a threat to Israel, then he was as much or more of a threat to our interests in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait—after all, it's not Israeli jets Saddam was shooting at daily, or the Israeli President he tried to assassinate. The US troops whose presence on Saudi soil caused Osama bin Laden to found al-Qaeda weren't defending Israel from Iraq, they were defending Saudi Arabia. So if Saddam had the capacity and will to use WMDs against Israel, US troops and US oil supplies would be just as much in danger.

But if Saddam didn't have WMDs, and wouldn't use them even if he had them, then he was no threat to Israel. And if he was no threat to Israel, why would Israel want him removed from power? If the Mossad or the Elders of Zion or the Neoconservative Cabal or whoever were "cherry-picking" intelligence to frame Saddam, surely at least the conspirators knew the truth. Or is Pat saying that Sharon is smarter than Bush but dumber than Saddam?

Conversely, is Pat now saying that WMDs were a legitimate reason to depose Saddam? Back when everybody in the world believed Saddam was sitting on stockpiles of ready-to-use chemical and biological weapons, Pat was saying that wasn't a valid reason for war. If that's still the case—if real WMDs aren't a legitimate casus belli—then discussing how the Jews "cherry-picked" the intelligence they allowed Bush and Powell to see is irrelevant.

A reasonable person could have written a very straightforward editorial saying "see, I told you so"—Pat didn't believe Saddam was a threat and lo, Saddam wasn't a threat, case closed. But no, Pat has to make this about the Jews.

[Destro]

Intervention is when you go over not when they come over.

[WOSG]

Answer: NO.

Now go away, Pat.

[Texasforever]

Intervention is when you go over not when they come over.

So we should have refused France's help?

[MEG33]

David Kay said Saddam was more dangerous than we had previously thought,without stockpiles.

His regime did have expertise which could have been sold to the highest terror bidder.The scientists were taking money and BSing Saddam.Chaotic conditions are fertile fields for Islamic terror groups.

[Destro]

"America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." --John Quincy Adams

"[America] well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force." --John Quincy Adams

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." --Thomas Jefferson

"Our own share of miseries is sufficient: Why enter then as volunteers into those of another?" --Thomas Jefferson

"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few." --James Madison

[MEG33]

We sure as heck intervened in Cuba,France,Italy,North Africa,Germany the Phillipines,Okinawa,Japan,Korea,Vietnam,Panama,Kuwait,Kosovo,and now Iraq.That's an incomplete list.

[nopardons]

Then what of THE MONROE DOCTRINE ?

But then, we all do have to remember that Pat thinks that we should NOT have entered into WW II and that Hitler would have left the USA alone. Poor Pat and his paltry few followers.

[NYCVirago]

I failed to mention how silly the word neo con is as it is tossed around nowadays.

Yep, and I think we all know what it's a code word for.

[MEG33]

Now ,how did the George Bush,Dick Cheney,Donald Rumsfield,Condi Rice,John Ashcroft get so hypnotized by those neo cons...hmmmm?.Tony Blair and John Howard ,too!

[Destro]

Despite my anti neo-con leanings I am pro war. Iraq is partly a neocon scheme. So in that regards I think Pat has it half way right. Powell is not a neocon and does not like them much either. Going to take out Iraq is not a neocon issue only, it is a classical conservative one as well. In Iraq both neocon and classic conservative views meet up policy wise.

When will the neocons be a problem? Well I think it is when they use Iraq to stage their agenda into Syria and into Iran and beyond. That is why the neocons wanted to go into Iraq-as a staging ground to change the Middle East - by force if need be. But classical conservatives feel the need only to go into Iraq. Fix Iraq and go home. THAT is what neocons do not want and that is where the tug of war is for Bush's attention.

[Destro]

my take on it @ #58

[Finalapproach29er]

If Pat hadn't run, Al Gore would be in charge (Palm Beach Jews for Pat!). Remember that before you slander his glorious showing in 2000.

God's sense of humor.