Have the neocons killed a presidency?

worldnetdaily.com ^ | February 16, 2004 | Pat Buchanan

[MEG33]

Some on this board have accused Bush supporters of being capable of voting for Hitler or Kerry if he has an R by his name.Party over principles...

Now you are slamming neo cons for sticking to their principles instead of having party loyalty.

I get dizzy.

[Fledermaus]

I didn't even have to click on this thread...once I saw the title I knew it was a Buchanan piece.

I used to respect and fight for that guy. But lately he's just nuts. When he and Eleanor Clift agree on foreign policy, I'm switching to the Keebler Elves.

[MEG33]

Well,I propose you take a look at Japan's form of government before and after WW2.

[goldstategop]

Conservatism has to fit the mood and needs of the people. Considering 40% of the American population will vote reliably for a Democrat no matter how extreme he turns out to be, its amazing there's still common sense in America.

[Fledermaus]

Don't worry. Neocon is buzzword for braindead bullsh***ers.

Just like the buzzwords the media create now...soccer mom; security mom (that one never sold); and now Nascar dad.

[Prodigal Son]

We took his nation over - big difference.

We took his nation through siege 12 years ago. There is no Gulf War One and Gulf War Two. It's one war and we're working to end it now.

[jaykay]

I think that Buchanan has it wrong, in fact almost everybody has it wrong. Taking Iraq had nothing to do with neocons, terrorists, Israel, WMDs, Saddam, 9/11, etc... It was all about the oil. Anyone who objects to fighting this relatively small war over oil, consider how your lives would change without a steady cheap supply of it. Not just the availability and price of gas for your car but also the trucks, trains and ships that bring groceries and other items to stores near you, the jobs in shipping and retail related to those grocieries and supplies, the jobs in manufacturing that are still left, the entire national and international economy that depends on a steady, reasonably priced supply of oil for the forseeable future. Much larger wars have been fought over much lesser stakes. Future wars will be fought over oil. We have a toe hold in an oil rich region. That is a strategic advantage.

[Destro]

Japan was a liberal representative govt and was moving in that direction for 50 years before the Great Depression brought the General Staff to power.

[Destro]

That also is not conservativisim.

[goldstategop]

We all know its a Michael Moore conspiracy to discredit Halliburton.

[Texasforever]

That also is not conservativisim.

OK hot shot. What is conservatism?

[Destro]

If you have to ask....

[Destro]

Haliburton is a Democratic linked organization - out of LBJ's Texas.

[goldstategop]

LOL!!! Not even Moore would try to wriggle Vice Presidency Cheney out with THAT creative angle.

[Texasforever]

If you have to ask....

Ido Ido. You have been very vocal on what conservatism isn't so it is incumbent on you to tell us what it is. Come on we all want to know. Put up or shut up.

[Destro]

In contemporary terms, the American Federal Republic was "rightist" by its nature. Why? Because it was constitutionally based on decentralization and devolution of powers, with the national government retaining only limited and clearly delimited authority.

Political democracy, on the other hand, is a "leftist" idea. Why? Because it inevitably leads to a massive consolidation of power, centralized especially in the national government.

The Left craves unlimited government power; the Right traditionally doesn't. Going to war to spread ersatz American ideas is thus a Leftist crusade, because it is predicated on a consolidation of and growth in government power.

[Destro]

Moore is a fool. He called Clark a war criminal in his movie and then backed him for president.

[Broadside Joe]

Ol Pat forgot to mention the 'Iraq Liberation Act of 1998'. IMHO Pat has really gone off the deep end over the past few decades.

[nopardons]

Then Reagan's demand of :" TEAR DOWN THIS WALL ", was leftist ?

[Texasforever]

Is that your source an obscure skirt on the internet?? I asked you to define conservatism. Put up or shut up.