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Posted on 02/15/2004 9:21:34 AM PST by Houmatt

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To: Salman
My definition of Natural Law is just as you put it. The logical union brought forth by the early belif in God. His teachings, His direction created the bond between man and woman for the natural propogation of the human race in an environment of social strenthening and committed love.

The civil union can't hit on all of those cylinders, therefore, not a marriage.
61 posted on 02/16/2004 7:11:42 AM PST by Right_Handed_Writer
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To: tuesday afternoon
I stated that I support the rights of all americans. You have now dropped child molestation and switched to polygamy. I assume you don't need basics on why their is no freedom to have sex with children.

IF the government is in the business of giving licenses then it must determine why some taxpayers are left out and not provided equal opportunity under the law. There is no right to marry, as far as I can determine. But the government has an obligation under the constitution to provide equal protection under the law and that means not affording separate opportunites to different taxpayers.

62 posted on 02/16/2004 12:26:02 PM PST by breakem
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To: little jeremiah; tuesday afternoon
lj, There you are. I was so worried that you went to bed ill advised and confused.

You did not answer my question about the support of the agenda and why you misrepresented my position, so I will not be answering your new question. I realize you just shot first without aiming. Just admit your mistake and we'll move on to the next question. It is the honorable thing to do.

tm, this is the guy you're supporting? LOL!

63 posted on 02/16/2004 12:29:30 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
I stated that I support the rights of all americans.

As do I. But I also understand what those rights are, and what they are not.

Speech, religion, owning firearms and a fair trial are all rights. Marriage, adoption and killing the unborn in the name of convenience are not.

Can you see and understand the difference?

64 posted on 02/16/2004 12:51:24 PM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: Houmatt
you have responded to me twice and both times your comments are seemingly unrelated to my remarks. I'll give you 1 more shot if you wish. You may want to read #62 first.
65 posted on 02/16/2004 9:58:47 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
I stated that I support the rights of all americans. You have now dropped child molestation and switched to polygamy. I assume you don't need basics on why their is no freedom to have sex with children.

I included child molestation as a "right" some people would like to have - along with polygamy and incest. You seem to like to ignore the point of a post and use your own interpretation. Since child molestation is so inarguably heinous, you are trying to use it as a way to make my post seem controversial.

Why is there no freedom for child molestation, as opposed to Canada where the age of consent is 14, or Amsterdam where it is 12? Because we as a majority have determined that to do otherwise is immoral. How do we know activist judges won't soon find a "right" to sexual behavior for minors? This is already the goal of many UN NGO's who are attempting to use international "soft laws" to overturn sovereign laws. International laws were cited in the Goodridge decision.

Yesterday a guest on O'Reilly, Al Rantel, a homosexual man, stated that he totally disagrees with the homosexual agenda re: marriage. He argued it is not the redefinition of marriage but the deconstruction of marriage.

66 posted on 02/17/2004 7:12:43 AM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: breakem
You seem to be implying homosexuals do not have equality. They do. They have the same rights everyone else does as citizens of this country. But that is not good enough for them. Not only do they want a minority status given to them because they choose to live a lifestyle that revolves completely around sexual behavior, they also want special rights and privileges that are exclusive to them, and no one else. These include marriage (which even you admit they have no right to) and adoption.
67 posted on 02/17/2004 7:53:53 AM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: Houmatt
The government is issuing licenses to marry. It is a contract. Hoimosexuals are discriminated against in the process. The constitution calls for equal protection under the law. You can twist and turn all you want, but that's an imporper thing for government to do.
68 posted on 02/17/2004 12:55:50 PM PST by breakem
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To: tuesday afternoon
I didn't ignored your point. I just said it was ridiculous. There is no right to have sex with children, whatever the age. You do know that people could marry at age 12 in the US don't you? Whereever the government draws the line there is no right to have sex with anyone under the age of legal contract. You can fret all you want about it, but it's unrelated to adults having sex or getting married.

I hope you and Al Rantal live a happy life. I don't get my opinions from talk show hosts. I get them by reading, listening to a variety of sources, and by thinking. Turn off the radio and give it a try.

69 posted on 02/17/2004 1:00:14 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
The government is issuing licenses to marry. It is a contract. Hoimosexuals are discriminated against in the process. The constitution calls for equal protection under the law. You can twist and turn all you want, but that's an imporper thing for government to do.

What? A marriage license is a contract? Would you be so kind as explain how you came up with this idea?

And while you are at it, could you also tell us how homosexuals are being discriminated against? Homosexuals can marry if they so desire, as long as they marry someone of the opposite sex.

But what you fail to understand is, the state does not have to allow anyone to marry if they don't want to. You see, marriage is not a right. It is not mentioned in the Constitution. In fact, it was left up to the States to decide, if you have read the Tenth Amendment. Furthermore, in 38 states, there is now a Defense of Marriage Act in place that firmly establishes the definition of marriage as being a legal union between one man and one woman. To date, this has not been challenged by anyone, in any of the 38 states, because of the aforementioned fact.

What the Mayor of San Francisco is doing is in clear violation of state law. He knows it, we know it, and those marriage certificates he has been handing out are not worth the paper they are printed on anywhere outside of the city.

70 posted on 02/17/2004 1:20:19 PM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: evad
I wonder how many bath houses are hosting wedding receptions?
71 posted on 02/17/2004 1:22:10 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: breakem
You do know that people could marry at age 12 in the US don't you?

What's your point?

What Al Rantel did was affirm that homosexuals are not interested in marriage except to further their own agenda. He said he spoke from an insider's perspective and proved the opinions expressed here by homosexual activists are actually mainstream within the homosexual community.

Goodridge was not decided on equal protection but "rational basis." You are echoing the Mayor of San Francisco's arguments, and he, at this point, is a lawbreaker.

72 posted on 02/17/2004 4:43:48 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: tuesday afternoon
Funny I am echocing someone whom I've never heard and before about two months ago I never heard of. Odd you would make up an accuzation with absolutely no information.

I told you about my neighbors marriage and so what, you would have me throw out what I know from direct observation because Al Rantal has a different opinion. I hope all doesn't tell you to become homosexual, you will implode. LOL!

73 posted on 02/17/2004 5:36:16 PM PST by breakem
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To: Houmatt
I have never said the mayor wasn't violating state law. Stop making up my position. If you don't think marriage is a contract read your state laws regarding marriage and property. I see, your last point, people can marry as long as the government tells them whom. Now that's a great example of liberty and freedom.
74 posted on 02/17/2004 5:38:41 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
If you don't think marriage is a contract

No, I don't. You seem to, however. And you have not told me how you came up with such a silly conclusion.

Of course, that is not the only thing you have intentionally ignored:

But what you fail to understand is, the state does not have to allow anyone to marry if they don't want to. You see, marriage is not a right. It is not mentioned in the Constitution. In fact, it was left up to the States to decide, if you have read the Tenth Amendment. Furthermore, in 38 states, there is now a Defense of Marriage Act in place that firmly establishes the definition of marriage as being a legal union between one man and one woman. To date, this has not been challenged by anyone, in any of the 38 states, because of the aforementioned fact.

Now, if there is any part of this you do not understand, (and it is obvious you don't understand any of it, since you ignored it) please re-read the United States Constitution.

75 posted on 02/17/2004 6:18:21 PM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: Houmatt
defining the law over and over does not mean it is fair, non-discriminatory or constitutional for that matter. Equal protection will win this battle for my money.

I will not spend one minute explaining marriage contract to you. You can ignore the legal and vivil aspects of state marriages all you want, that won't make it go away.

76 posted on 02/17/2004 8:30:07 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
defining the law over and over does not mean it is fair, non-discriminatory or constitutional for that matter.

Please re-read #75.

I will not spend one minute explaining marriage contract to you.

That's because you can't. As with the above issue, you have no idea what you are talking about.

77 posted on 02/18/2004 5:52:39 AM PST by Houmatt (Justice For Carlie!)
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To: Houmatt
Why waste your time with someone who is so ignorant. I wouldn't. Toodles!
78 posted on 02/18/2004 6:42:20 AM PST by breakem
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To: Houmatt
breakem has an, um, interesting debate style, eh?
79 posted on 02/18/2004 7:05:22 AM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: breakem
I told you about my neighbors marriage and so what, you would have me throw out what I know from direct observation because Al Rantal has a different opinion.

My first post was that the homosexuals I know, male and female, have neither long-term nor monogomaus relationships. The male homosexuals were especially promiscuous and involved in all kinds of sexually aberrant behavior. The lesbians may have been quieter about it but were supportive of such behavior.

Al Rantel must have the courage of his convictions to come out against the homosexual party line.

80 posted on 02/18/2004 7:10:36 AM PST by tuesday afternoon
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