Is it the end of the Duch liberal experiment

The Times (of London) ^ | February 14, 2004 | By Anthony Browne

[LibKill]

Socialism = fast track to bankruptcy.

[Paulus Invictus]

Sounds a lot like Calipornia.

[Celtic Conservative]

My wife worked with a few Iranians, refugees from the fall of the Shah who'd been in the U.S. for 20+ years. IIRC, they were Muslims, but thought the burka-clad practitioners were primitive and pathetic. They always made jokes about them. 14 posted on 02/14/2004 10:03:51 AM EST by angkor

Iraq also has a christian minority, either orthodox or Catholic, Which has gotten smaller over the years due to persecution by saddam and emigration to the US. some have settled in my area and become both hard working people and respected members of the community. BUT they unlike some immigrants mentioned in this article played by the rules and came here LEGALLY, worked hard and became citizens. I remember My mother once asked why some of these christian iraquis why they came to america and the response was telling and humorous. They first mentioned the persecution and then said quite matter of factly that they were sick of living like it was the middle ages. Immigration is not the problem. Unchecked , illegal immigration, and immigration without a plan IS

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[eno_]

So if 30% of crime is caused by immigrants, deporting immediately instead of imprisoning could cut our prison bill by 30%.

Hmmmmm. Could mean unemployed screws. Don't always assume the mechanisms of the law are always on your side.

[Cowboy Bob]

When I was in the Netherlands years ago, people there told me some folklore (who knows if it's true) that during times of war, in order to detect who was truly Dutch and who might be an enemy infiltrator, if there was any doubt about their nationality, the soldier would be asked to pronounce the town of Scheveningen.

Only someone who grew up speaking Dutch can say it properly. I couldn't even begin to say it right, but came close when I pulled my tongue all the way to the back of my throat, spoke through my nose, and said "shaving". That got a chuckle from my Dutch friends.

I heard the same story. Hey, you weren't in Delft in 1984 were you?

[expatpat]

Not much longer, I hope and expect. The Brits, like the Dutch, are too pragmatic and hard-headed to put up with this cr*p indefinitely.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

I'll state the obvious. If only America would do what the Dutch are now doing-with severity!

[cyborg]

Dutch is easy... I learned dutch and afrikaans at the same time by a tutor, except all I remember are cuss words. Why do I remember the cuss words?

[Chris Talk]

The Dutch have often been noted for their survival instinct. I think there may always be a Holland.

I am not so sure about England.

[narby]

As liberal pieties crumbled,

"Liberal pieties". That's a great term to spread around.

[expatpat]

The only thing that Pim Fortuyn did was produce an intellectual argument for what everyone was thinking. We are trying to be more honest. Before people just turned a blind eye, but not any more. It is the death of political correctness.

That will happen here, soon. All it will take is one influential moderate-to-left person to make the argument.

[JimRed]

I'm afraid that, like the Dutch, we will have to hit bottom first.

Take an evening walk through any heavily populated area in one of the "blue" zones and you are likely to conclude that we HAVE!

[JimRed]

Could mean unemployed screws.

Add them to the border patrol.

[eno_]

Latvian is very difficult, and many Russians in Latvia are managing to do learn it. They aren't going to be writing great literature, but the Russian shopkeepers know they have to learn to stay in business.

[Fred Hayek]

What I have found with the Germans is, unlike the French, that the German will appreciate your effort to communicate in his language. And he will correct you, whether you like it or not!

[moneyrunner]

Scheveningen. I was born there.

[Fred Hayek]

I might disagree with Fortuyn on some things. He did understand the importance of borders, language, and culture. Without those, the Netherlands fades. As do we.

[philetus]

Pim Fortuyn, the anti-immigration campaigner whose murder two years ago by a left-wing activist sparked the political upheaval that is about to ruin their lives.


Like all left wingers, they think if they just silence everybody it will go away.

[tdadams]

No, that was in Scheveningen in 1989.

[cyborg]

Learning by immersion is easier than in a classroom. Business language learning can be easy unless one has to study advanced business terminology. I need to start practicing myself otherwise tahat stuff gets stale.