Is it the end of the Duch liberal experiment

The Times (of London) ^ | February 14, 2004 | By Anthony Browne

[tdadams]

Welfare recipients, however long they have been in the country, will now have their benefits cut if they do not learn Dutch. New immigrants have to learn Dutch within a year of arriving

It sounds like the Netherlands might go from being the nation FReepers love to hate, to the nation they'll wish to emulate.

They are wise to deal with this now, before the veiled threats of Islamic restlessness are merely threats.

[King Prout]

"People who live below sea level shouldn't open floodgates..." (dirtboy)

Quote of the Day!

I second that.

[wgeorge2001]

"Pieter, a young Dutch vegetable seller, said: ?This used to be a rich country with no social problems and no crime. Now, because of the socialism, it has become full of social, ethnic and political problems.? "


Socialism at it's root is a spiritual sin that denies the existence of the one true creator God and His Holy Child Jesus Christ. It corrupts and defiles human beings by trying to replace the worship and love of God with government as the guide of human affairs which, at it's best, is totally inadequate to solve the problems of sinful and helpless humanity.
Jesus Christ is the answer to all world problems and one must read the book He is the author of (the writers were inspired by God's Holy Spirit) to understand the problems and the cure for mankind's sorrows and death. Liberalism is a downhill slide,the Dutch are beginning to see that it is at heart fascism that will turn into either communism or nazism, whose ally is insufferable Islam,and whose intent is the same as Hitler or Stalin and destroys mankind's hope and lives; the power behind socialism is a fallen angel that hates God and Christ and mankind, his name is Satan, and he destroys mankind whenever he is able to deceive them, liberalism is contrary to all the Ten commandments of God and that is why liberals are ignorant servants of the fallen Lucifer.

[tdadams]

I just find it slightly amusing that they are calling Pym Fortune - a very gay, very leftist politician - a "right winger" or "conservative"

Nowhere in the article was he once referred to as either "right wing" or "conservative."

Care to explain?

[buffyt]

"People are fed up with crime, fed up with the influx of immigrants."

I hear THAT!!!! Same thing here in USA. Illegal immigrants cause a lot of our crime.... Didn't Rush say about 30%????

[montag813]

I am very envious of their ability to send back the children of illegals as WELL as the parents. If we could send back all the illegal Mexican "anchor babies", our immmigration problems would be cut in half. It is only through a flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment that these children are wrongly granted American citizenship.

[buffyt]

You said it all. I have been trying to put those thoughts into words for years! Thanks! I will borrow those words and use them to explain MY thoughts on communism/socialism/liberalism. We studied Satanism in Sunday school one time and it was based on the same things you listed in your comment. Humanism takes care of everything, no need for God....

[Incorrigible]

Bump

[mollynme]

Will we learn from the Dutch experience?

I'm afraid that, like the Dutch, we will have to hit bottom first.

[Atchafalaya]

The French still haven't a clue, they're still at the tipsy point.

[buffyt]

You are RIGHT about Dutch being difficult. When we go to Europe on vacation, I will do the French, Spanish, Italian, German... I let my husband do the Dutch. It is just too difficult for me. I can do please, thank you, you are welcome, two beers, and two gins. That is about all I can do in Dutch.

[tdadams]

Dutch is a notoriously difficult language to learn! In order to pronounce it properly you must first stick a herring down your throat and choke on it.

When I was in the Netherlands years ago, people there told me some folklore (who knows if it's true) that during times of war, in order to detect who was truly Dutch and who might be an enemy infiltrator, if there was any doubt about their nationality, the soldier would be asked to pronounce the town of Scheveningen.

Only someone who grew up speaking Dutch can say it properly. I couldn't even begin to say it right, but came close when I pulled my tongue all the way to the back of my throat, spoke through my nose, and said "shaving". That got a chuckle from my Dutch friends.

[swampfox98]

Will the European Union allow Holland to do this? I thought the EU had control over countries' immigration policies, and insisted they accommodate all the immigrants that had come to each EU country.

[buffyt]

I was just thinking about how Germans and Dutch chuckle when I try to speak their language. Even when the Germans know what I am saying, I still cause them to chuckle. Oh well, they all have accents when they speak English, too~ LOL

[junta]

The most important word in the article, "taboo" proof that liberalism is nothing but primitive superstition.

[Truth29]

If the muslim communities are becoming aggressive, aggressive action should be taken to remove them.

[alnitak]

I think they may run into problems with the European Human Rights Act, IF they have incorporated it into Dutch law. Nations remain sovereign, AFAIK, european laws have to be incorporated into national law for them to be binding. So the Dutch parliament COULD, if pushed, repudiate any European law that they disagreed with.

[sarcasm]

ping

[workerbee]

Imagine the cries of "Racism! Racism!" if some of this was attempted in the U.S. Crime is the fault of immigration? Immigrants must learn English? Only those with "good incomes" are allowed into major cities? Too many foreigners can't be integrated?

The Netherlands does it and it's just protecting its own self-interest. Try it here and watch the self-same Dutch and all the other Eurosocialists point their fingers and say tsk tsk.

[Paulus Invictus]

According to my daughter in London, it's far too late. UK is a nation of immigrants now and they have taken over or will soon. There are more Arabs in London now than is some Arab nations and they are not friendly types.