Coulter Attacks Cleland's War Record (ann coulter)

11Alive web site ^ | February 13, 2004 | John Shirek

[annyokie]

Thank you for your service, sir! I am sick to death of these watchers who didn't fret for their loved ones and make light of anothers sacrifice.

[liberty or death]

You know everyone whines because conservatives don't take the gloves off and shovel the SH!t right back in their faces. Cleland has been lying and spinning his injuries his whole career and Anne just shoved it down his throat.
Politics is War. Liberals know it and live it.
Go Anne Go!!!

[annyokie]

National Review was right about Ann Coulter. Got that right. I'm waiting for Horowitz to wise up.

[annyokie]

Of course it does.

[Pukin Dog]

I think you are a nutcase.

I think you use your brother on this thread the way Cleland uses his missing body parts.

Sorry to tell you, but TRUTH is immune to how you or Max Cleland feel about it. Ann said NOTHING nasty about anyone in her article. She told the truth. If the truth hurts, then suck it up and move on.

None of us who served are beyond criticism. Wearing the uniform of your country does not bestow special status upon you, making you off-limits to those who did not. To call Ann Coulter a whore, is to denigrate the service of your brother, who IMHO, was protecting the rights of you AND Ann Coulter to have AND VOICE opinions freely and openly.

You may disagree, but when you attack with your silly diatribe, you sink below her level.

[lilylangtree]

Excerpt from John Kerry: The Chameleon Senator
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
October-December 1996 Issue

According to the official citation accompanying the Silver Star for Kerry's actions on the waters of the Mekong Delta on February 28, 1969: "Kerry's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry ordered his units to charge the enemy positions. . . Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber." In an article printed in the October 21st and 28th 1996 edition of The New Yorker, Kerry was asked about the man he had killed.

"It was either going to be him or it was going to be us. It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of the hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front of him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead . . . I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand," Kerry said. In the column, Warsh quoted the Swift boat's former gunner, Tom Belodeau, as saying the Viet Cong soldier who Kerry chased "behind a hootch" and "finished off" actually had already been wounded by the gunner.

Warsh wrote that such a "coup de grace" would have been considered a war crime. Belodeau stood beside Kerry and said he'd been misquoted. He conceded that he had fired at and wounded the Viet Cong, but denied Kerry had simply executed the wounded Viet Cong. Dan Carr, a former Marine from Massachusetts, who served 14 months as a rifleman sloshing around in the humid jungles of I Corps, South Vietnam, questioned whether or not Kerry deserved a Silver Star for chasing and killing a lone, wounded, retreating Viet Cong. "Kerry is certainly showing some sensitivity there. Most people I knew in Vietnam were just trying to pull their time there and get the hell out. There were some, though, who actually used Vietnam to get their tickets punched. You know, to build their resumes for future endeavors," Carr said.

[Jorge]

For Ms. Coulter to mock him is just shallow and wrong.

She told the truth and I applaud her.
I didn't know the real story about Cleland's war record until I read her article.

[SkyPilot]

If it it "out of bounds" then why do they Lie about Cleland's record?

[SkyPilot]

Did you go to war? Ever?

I have. Cleland is no hero.

[AmericanVictory]

I thought so. Thank you and thanks to your brave brother, but shame upon those who betrayed him and so many others.

[Pukin Dog]

So in your world, veterans dont do stupid things sometimes? Veterans are gods beyond question?

STFU, okay?

Calling Cleland the dirty scumbag he is, does nothing to attack Veterans.

There are Veterans who fragged Officers, Veterans who broke laws, did drugs, deserted and a lot of other not so good things. I can tell you about pilots who lost their lives bailing out of perfectly good airplanes because they forgot safety procedures. Do we pin a medal on them too?

Some of you need a dose of reality.

[Qwinn]

"The man went to war unlike most of us here, and lost his limbs in an accident. And we have people making fun of him here!!!"

I see nothing significant that ranks as "making fun of him". I see people bashing him (not by making fun but by serious criticism) for allowing the lie to flourish that he was injured as a result of enemy fire. He was not. That, to me, diminishes the real sacrifices of all those who really were injured and died in service to our country.

No, I don't hold scorn for those injured in friendly fire incidents, nor do I consider their sacrifice "less" than those injured in direct combat. In fact, I generally consider them to be just as deserving of our thanks and respect as any veteran who served honorably and was injured or died (or even made it through unscathed).

UNTIL they lie about their injuries, and use it for political cover for unethical actions. Then they are scum of the Earth in my book, who cheapen and abuse the respect that the military deserves. That's not making fun of him. That's contempt for an unethical human being who manipulates our respect for the military, plain and simple.

Qwinn

[TheDon]

Agreed. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If they engage in unseemly behavior, they shouldn't whine when someone points it out. A politician hiding behind their military service. I always think of Benedict Arnold in such cases. An honorable would never bring up his own service for such purposes.

[Democratshavenobrains]

The funny thing is, the Dems call US militarists while they are the ones who blindly worship any member of their Party who was in Vietnam.

[PhilDragoo]

Cleland is slandering the commander in chief and doing so to promote the man personally credited by General Vo Nguyen Giap with the North Vietnamese victory.

Cleland lost the limbs as a REMF making an error in judgment, not, as he ceaselessly lies, in combat in an act of heroism.

Kerry slandered our fighting men in his lies to Congress in 1971--as our POWs at the time have testified.

In 1993 Kerry suppressed investigations into our missing POWS in order to expedite normalization so his cousin Forbes could make millions with exclusive real estate contracts in Vietnam.

Kerry gave aid and comfort to the enemy, and has a record of blocking the defense systems our troops need, and the intelligence America requires to survive.

That Coulter has outed a lying supporter of Fifth-Column Kerry is a blow for freedom.

Most of the press was all too giddy in its race to support a draft dodger, and now to persecute an accomplished fighter pilot.

[txzman]

We all make stupid mistakes - but I clearly remember Cleland being touted by the Dems as a war hero, not someone drinking beer who stopped to pick up a grenade.

BIg, BIG difference.

[SAMWolf]

Looks like Cleland forgot rule #37,

"Once the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend"

[aquila48]

The man was severly injured in the service of his country, no matter how it happened......and it can happen in to anyone. We all make stupid mistakes, most of us not this serious.

And that's qualification for a hero??? I might feel sorry for him, but it sure as hell doesn't make me respect him or his opinions.

[zygoat]

I remember. I remember watching Mutual of Qmaha's Wild Kingdom.Followed by Disney's movie of the week,(usually starring Kurt Russell).And then the news, which would have a rolling list of the killed in action.I had a few cousins in the war that I thought the world of. They never showed up on the lists'. But some have died since, my favorite died of a self inflicted gunshot to the head.He mentioned Viet Nam, but his downfall was his wife, who found that selling life insurance was more exciting than listening to his tales of welding.(she left him for an insurance salesman) I wanted to ask him how his experiences were any worse than the guys who landed on Omaha Beach, or the frozen hell of Korea. I never got the chance. My point is, I have no pity for Cleland.He has lived a lifetime playing on an idiotic misfortune. Kerry is trying the same. Screw em'.