Posted on 02/11/2004 11:47:11 AM PST by phil_will1
For all the fighting and demagoguery over every change in the tax code, those complex schemes are no more than changing assignments over who will be required to COLLECT a hidden sales tax from consumers.
Precisely!!!, this guy gets it.
Also nailed in:
DO YOU PAY YOUR INCOME TAX
AT THE SUPERMARKET?
by D. Sherman Cox J.D. L.L.M. Taxation
The full impact of the federal tax system(taxes in gross wage/salaries & other compensation + business income/payroll taxes) added onto the base(taxfree) price of retail consumption goods and services is 36% for federal taxes alone.
If we add in the cost of federal tax compliance, planning, litigation & enforcement, the percentage that truely represents the burden on the family due to the Federal income/payroll tax system, product prices are increased by more than 55% over taxfree prices.
Probably not. The rebate is not income-related, you get the same amount as everyone else (well, ok, different rates for adults and children) just by virtue of being a US citizen who is not incarcerated. The actual amount of the rebate wouldn't be sufficient to live on... let's take that same example of $14,000 as the poverty line for a family of four. That's an annual rebate of $3,220, or $268 a month.
The alternative for a rebate is exempting certain items, but then you just open up the special interests and social engineering can of worms again. The rebate is simpler because it applies evenly across the board.
No, with the exception of any fees related to their purchase and sale, which would be taxable services.
Ah, a rebate! Now you've messed with the whole thing. Well, at least it won't distort prices, but now I'm starting to wonder if it would effect work/leisure choices?
Actually it isn't even a "rebate", it is referred to as the Family Consumption Allowence, a fixed amount paid each month to all legal residents. Every household gets it, depending only on number of legal residents in the household. Every one from Hermit the Hobo to Bill Gates qualifies for it as it is not dependant upon one's income. Works more like the personal exemption(which it is designed to take the place of) of the income tax.)
The FCA works like this:
All legal residents will receive a FCA equivalent to the FairTax paid on essential goods and services. The FCA will be paid in advance, in equal installments each month. The size of the monthly FCA will be determined by the government's Poverty Level for a particular family size, multiplied by the tax rate.
Every year, the Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] determine the "poverty level" for each family size.
The 2001 "FairTax" Family Consumption Allowance Figures |
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Family Size |
HHS Poverty Level |
Annual FCA |
Monthly FCA |
One |
$8,590 |
$1,976 |
$165 |
Two |
$17,180 |
$3,951 |
$329 |
Three |
$20,200 |
$4,646 |
$387 |
Four |
$23,220 |
$5,341 |
$445 |
Five |
$26,240 |
$6,035 |
$503 |
Six |
$29,260 |
$6,730 |
$561 |
Seven |
$32,280 |
$7,424 |
$619 |
Eight |
$35,300 |
$8,119 |
$677 |
1) Federal Register: February 16, 2001, Pages 10695-10697).
[ The monthly FCA for each adult is .23 * (HSS poverty level for a single person)/12 to assure no marriage penalty due to the manner in which the poverty level is dependant on family size. The monthly FCA for each child is .23 * (the incremental increase of HSS poverty level for a family with one child over no child) ] A. Geezer
A family of four, for example, could spend $23,220 per year free of tax because they will have received over the course of the year rebates totaling $5,341. $5,341 is the amount of sales tax paid on $23,220 in expenditures. A family spending double the "poverty level" or $46,440 per year will effectively pay tax on only half of their spending and, therefore, have an effective tax rate of 11 ½ percent or half the FairTax rate.
The beauty of the FairTax is that you can control how much you pay in taxes. If you happen to save, invest or spend a portion on used [previously taxed] items, you can get your effective tax rate below 9%.
[71] To illustrate the plan's progressive nature we can examine the tax burden that a family of four will have at various annual income levels (or in this case, annual spending levels).
Not only does every family receive a FCA based on family size, not income, but they will also receive 100% of their paycheck:
Fedup Smith makes $39K per year...once the FairTax is the law of the land he will receive an instant increase in pay of $200.00 per week. Since he has a family of four, he will receive a FCA of $445 per month, for a total of $1,305.00 additional income per month that he can do with as he sees fit
Georgians remember that Herman Cain, running for Zell Miller's seat, is a STRONG Fairtax supporter.
As are many House contenders all over the country.
My growing list of Congress Critter's & wanna be Critter's supporting national retail sales tax
all the HR25 Cosponsors (43)
plus some Congress Critter's In the News
Vernon Robinson running for North Carolina's 5th Congressional District
Anymore you run across, let me know so I can add them to the lists.
It's a tax "reform" Trojan Horse.
The IRS is the big bad boogeyman who's supposedly eliminated,
but everybody has to line up at the Social Security Administration to receive their cradle-to-grave monthly sales tax rebate checks that supposedly make the system "fair".
Don't let the NRST shills fool you...
It's nothing but a paradigm shifting shell game.
First of all, the FCA/rebate is completely voluntary -- no is compelled to do anything. Secondly, applying for the rebate requires filling out one simple, annual form (or upon change of family status -- births, deaths, amrriages, divorces, etc.) that is no more complicated or invasive than registering to vote.
Secondly, there is no "lining up" anywhere. File an annual form, get a monthly check. Don't file a form, don't get a check. It is that simple.
but everybody has to line up at the Social Security Administration to receive their cradle-to-grave monthly sales tax rebate checks
Baloney.
If you don't want it, you are expressly not required to apply for it. Your choice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
Income Tax refunds are voluntary too...
Nobody's gonna FORCE you to accept a refund from the IRS...
LOL! It's hilarious to see what convoluted inside-out topsy-turvy spin you shills will try next.
It's a crying shame, however, that there are totally clueless idiots out there who actually believe in your snake-oil.
They are almost synonyms. The FairTax is the most prominent national retail sales tax (NRST) proposal, currently with 40+ sponsors in the U.S. House as HR 25. They have been other NRST proposals, but in general, most people are referring specifically to the FairTax when they say NRST.
An NRST, in general, is a single-stage, single-rate retail sales tax that taxes goods and services only at the point of initial retail sale. Business-to-business transactins are not taxed. The NRST is designed to completely replace income, estate, gift, and FICA taxes. It is completely transparent, there are no hidden taxes.
There is a strong community on FR committed to promoting the NRST/FairTax: the TaxReform ping list. There is also a smaller, but no less vocal, group of detractors who will also frequent realted threads.
Well, if you would actually read the proposed legislation (HR 25), you would be able to see that:
CHAPTER 3--FAMILY CONSUMPTION ALLOWANCE
SEC. 302. QUALIFIED FAMILY
(e) Registration Not Mandatory- Registration is not mandatory for any qualified family.
Actually, what's even better, is that the NRST would make it appear that you're paying more taxes than you actually are. Everyone is going to see the marginal 23% rate paid at the register on every purchase -- that is what they are going to think is their tax rate despite the fact that their effective tax rate will be lower.
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