Twenty-one Reasons Why Bush Will Win

>>>"Tancredo is supporting the POTUS. GWB has signaled by his own proposals and directly stated that he will sign a guest worker provision that is close to Tancredo's and which can get thru Congress."

If so, then he should publicly say so. At present all I hear is how much he loves Vicente, how much Vicente loves him, and how any company that wants to offer jobs to 3rd world people can do so and bring them over here with ease.

I've heard NO MENTION from his lips about supporting Tancredo's much stiffer program. Had he done so, he would not have the furor that he has today. Tancredo supports him because Bush whips the troops in line. But as recent stories have pointed out, Bush is not delivering the conservative goods.

Thus, you might as well have any other liberal Republican, or just slightly worse, a Democrat... with an intransigent Republican Congress.

>>>"I have read tons of angry posts and articles concerning the President's immigration proposals. This is not an amnesty. GWB has specifically stated this is not an amnesty and the Dems are promising an amnesty and open borders."

Its true that the Dems programs are worse on this immigration issue. But Bush truly wants these "temporary" workers to become citizens. Everything that he has said leads to this conclusion that these "temporary" workers will become permanent (read uneducated, liberal Democrat) voters.

Hoppy

Gutless Republicans like you make the libs squeal with delight; it means Republicans can act like Dems and still get your vote.

Right. The Dems might be squealing with delight, but if they are, it's because of people like you whose insistence on conservative perfection renders you unable to embrace winning. I'll count you firmly in the "Let's Lose One for the Gipper!" column.

Those are 21 reasons there will be a staggering amount of voter fraud this november. The new electronic systems will offer no paper trail.

The elderly absentee ballot lists are being prepared.

The illegal immigrants who are registered to vote will be facilitated.

All Freepers should consider becoming poll watchers.

I don't have a lot of time this morning, but I want to make a couple of replies to your points.

The President made it clear he will sign a tough guest worker bill. I suggest Tancredo be contacted as to what support he has in the WH. These things are done in Congress and if the bill's writer has WH support, he knows it. That should clear it up. That said, Tancredo must put together a coalition and then get the bill passed before W has a thing to do with it. There are Democrats and liberal Republicans involved as well.

The citizenship part of W's proposal (which is all it is) requires the worker to return to their home country and apply. They are then subject to all the requirements. I don't think this is so awful. We are a nation of immigrants and it is all that is keeping us at replacement rate while Europe becomes a nation of old Europeans and young Muslims.

In the House, it is DeLay and Nickles who whip the caucus into line. Contact them and let them know your thoughts and get theirs. If your personal representative is on your side, ask them what you can do to support the bill you want. If they aren't, work to elect someone who is. Also, you can ask DeLay about the budget cutting. That is DeLay's job and as far as I can tell from reading, he is doing it.

While I do not doubt your sincerity, I hope you will investigate your fears more fully. Too much rides on this election, including American sovereignty.

One more thing. People whose issue is Mexico keep repeating that Bush *asked* Fox for approval before the SOTU speech. I doubt it. What we have to realize is that Fox is the 1st democratically elected President in the history of Mexico. It is important to keep his profile high inside Mexico or it could go back to the fascists. It is just as likely that Bush informed him at their summit of what he would offer, while telling him that it isn't a slam dunk & detailing what is expected of Mexico. If GWB was in the habit of asking permission from any other country, do you think they would hate him as much as they do? I think he plays hardball with them all. Immediately afterwards, I recall reading that Mexican officials attempted a good will tour in America and it was not a success. I am just asking that those who think we are being sold out recall what a tough negotiation entails and try to see things as they are.

I also recall (and I am only aware of this issue, not an expert) that while some of the water debt is supposed to be paid, Fox is facing the possibility of revolution in Mexico
over every issue where he appears to give in to any American demands, even those defined by treaties. If Fox goes down, Mexico will again be ruled by the corrupt fascists. I doubt he's clean, given Mexico's history, but elections that aren't a sham are a baby step for 3rd world nations.

I do not believe GWB would or has ever betrayed this country. I am convinced Kerry will sell us out. Every issue is between one or more other countries, as well as competing interests in our own. Negotiation is the only tool we have. We cannot dictate to other nations and we have to deal with the world as it is.

Not one President but GWB ever has so effectively defended America in my long lifetime. Please consider the future of our country in a multinational world when you vote. Kerry is not just a Democrat. Kerry is a self-admitted internationalist and if you don't like what is going down now, you will be getting a foretaste of hell, as will we all, if Kerry is elected.

Thank you for your thoughtful post and comments.

>>>"The President made it clear he will sign a tough guest worker bill. I suggest Tancredo be contacted as to what support he has in the WH."

This point just doesn't come out when the President talks about jobs for willing overseas workers. Maybe this will change when we get closer to the election.

Hoppy

Presidents present broad proposals. Only Congress can draft a bill and pass it.

I heard/read:
Some sort of database where jobs are listed. The employer must make the job available to American workers at prevailing wages. Employer must prove no American wanted the job. Worker in home country can also apply, but not be hired until proof no American applied/accepted. Worker gets 3 years. No family at this time. Money that would go into Social Security/Medicare to be deposited to retirement account in worker's home country which can only be accessed there. After timelimit (I don't recall), foreign worker can apply for citizenship. I think W and Tancredo differ on place of residence for worker from which to apply.

I think they key would be setting up the job board and having a way to monitor that the job was wanted by Americans.

And then, there are always the differences between law and implementation, which is the real place where the administration could put in stiffer rules.

But if this was one of my main issues, I would try and have some contact w/the critters involved.

>>>"The employer must make the job available to American workers at prevailing wages. Employer must prove no American wanted the job. Worker in home country can also apply, but not be hired until proof no American applied/accepted."

I'm very familiar with this setup. Its pretty much how it currently is for sponsoring foreign workers.

Did you know that many immigration lawyers specialize in beating this system? They charge around $3,000 to help beat it.

Still, this would be better than un-documented. But brother-in-law employers that are here already will certainly game the system -- much more than those H1 and L1 employers have done so far.

The new part is the database. But even today, the employer is required to run advertisements in the local paper. That's probably just as public.

How do they beat the system? Very careful wording of job requirements. I guess one of the new requirements would be: "Must be bi-lingual" or "I, the employer, can only speak Spanish, so the worker must speak Spanish well."

So, all German or Chinese or English speaking workers would be excluded. Another great benefit of bi-lingualism at work. Welcome to Yugoslavia.

Hoppy

Really how bad was that guy injured anyway?