Bush, "The Worst President", Stacks Up Very Well

Durham, NC paper | Unknown

[MEG33]

Good article!

[RobbyS]

It is well-known that we were engaged in an undeclared naval war with Germany from the summer of 1940 to December, 1941. That was because FDR had allied us with the British and after the Lend-lease Act was supplying the British and the Russians war materials. Hitler was stupid enough to declare war on us. If he had not, the Pacific War would have been our main emphasis.

[RobbyS]

Eisenhower did. But Kennedy greatly increased our force of advisers and conspired in the killing of the Diem brothers. After the coup, our military puppets were unable to rule the country, so Johnson had to pump 550,000 men into the country to keep the Commies from taking over.

[texasflower]

Thank you for posting this.

[texasflower]

Well, how nice of you to show up here and begin bad-mouthing the President. So you signed up today huh?

Why is it that you people do this? Just to cause trouble or what?

Sorry, no pleasant welcome from me.

[texasflower]

I checked and found out this was your very first post.

Charming.

What are you doing here?!!!

[dirtboy]

Do you really want to engage in 'nation-building'?? There are several dozens of countries where the situation is worse! Shall we oust all those dictators and rebuild all those countries? THAT IS NOT OUR DAMN RESPONSIBILITY!

When our national interests coincide with removing a dictator and building a stable republic in his place, yes, it does become our responsibility.

[mathluv]

Thanks for sharing. This is a great letter.

[texasflower]

You aren't banned. I can still see your homepage and post to you just fine.

What are you seeing? By the way, I did not report you for anything.

I chose to ask you first what your purpose was. Believe it or not, I don't agree with the aggressiveness you started out with, I actually think you would be a responsible poster.

Tammy

[varon]

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us.

Ahem, North Korea invaded South Korea. The UN responded and the USA was dominant part of UN forces. Truman did not start the Korean war.

[Bobby Chang]

Jimmy Carter, if I remembered well, used his diplomacy to punish teenage girls and even punished Isaiah Thomas with his policies. Many young teen girls with gymnastics dreams after Montréal four years previously when Nadia scored ten on hallowed Habs grounds lost their shot at Olympic glory because of Jimmy Carter. Isaish Thomas was another heartbreaker. He was on the National Team for basketball and never won a major championship for his country. He later was to be on a World Championships team, but was injured and did not make it to Toronto for the World Championships.

[WOSG]

I dont have time to fully explain/discuss, but a few points ...

"There are other regions/countries in the world where the terrorist do actually gather/train/receive money(look in the post above). They didn't in Iraq(solely the Hamas received backing from Saddam and not much...)"

Ah, but they did in Iraq. You ever hear of Salman Pak? It was a terrorist training site near baghdad, they found a full 707 fuselage used to train terrorists. Saddam supported more than just palestinian terrorists, he supported the Algerian GIA, harbored Abu Nidal, gave money to a Mr Yasim - 1993 WTC bombing suspect who fled to Iraq. The list goes on - Anwar Al-Islam support.

Also, the DoD memo of oct 2003 points to 50 points of contact and collaboration with Al Qaeda. This includes Iraqi intelligence visiting Al Qaeda in Sudan and training them on bombmaking, offer to give Bin Laden harbor in Iraq, and Al Zarqawi (sp?) staying in Baghdad after fleeing Afghanistan in late 2001.

Iraq you say: "Not OUR problem."
No fly zones that WE were patrolling, a sanctions regime that was thoroughly corrupted by the oil-for-palaces-n-payoffs program run a UN *we* contribute to, a sonactions policy that harmed Iraqi civilians that *we* needed to impose to try to shackle saddam, a man who killed his own and who suppoted terrorists to boot ... yup it was our problem and it was festering.

The choices besides removing Saddam would have been worse choices for us, for Iraqis and for the region.

lastly - you incorrectly talk of 'dozens of dictators just as bad' as Saddam... Ahem! Saddam started 2 wars, and saddam's body count was over 500,000 in a genocide plus 1 million in other killings he caused. Please, go ahead and name the current dictators who are really worse than that ... I dare ya!

If we can get rid of someone that horrible and liberate a country of 24 million, and take out a threat like his was, with the price we did pay in lives and treasure, I'd say it was definitely worth it. And if you are comparing 'mistakes' of "action in Iraq" versus "inaction in Rwanda" clearly the bigger mistake was inaction in Rwanda.

[WOSG]

Hey, he is banned now. I mean IcycleMort

And just after I spent 10 minutes constructing a reply to him.

His talking points are no more extreme than a number of anti-Iraq-war posters around here (think "Destro").

Unless he said something rude or was a known disruptor I think that was wrong to kick him out, even though he was a a newbie with an attitude ... HEY QUIT BANNING DISSENTERS THAT ACTUALLY STRING COHERENT SENTENCES TOGETHER.