Job Cuts Top 100,000 in January - Report

Reuters ^ | Tuesday February 3, 2004

[RaceBannon]

Make sure you keep repeating the mantra!

The problem is not jobs leaving the country, it is not capital equipment leaving the country, the problem is not intellectual property leaving the country, the problem is not contracts going to communistic/fascistic/socialistic government run countries that prop up their companies with government funds to defer losses that the US companies cannot compete against...

THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ATTITUDE ABOUT IT!! JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THINGS WILL GET BETTER AND THEY WILL!

[freeeee]

It doesn't happen overnight. /painfully obvious

[GraniteStateConservative]

Keep fighting the good fight.

[azhenfud]

You mentioned it in a previous post. I'm not so concerned with workers adapting to new markets, as long as our government sees to it that treaties are fairly negotiated, that markets are equally opened, and that workers are fairly compensated (absolutely NO slave/prison/child labor).

Fair market, fair competition; else we take our ball and go back to our yard and play.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Ahhhh, a true Conservative.

Damn commie liberal Founding Fathers.

[Walkin Man]

That is the whole basis for this proposal - to turn every job left in America into a minimum-wage job.

I agree. That is why our government can control the borders of Iraq but not the southern border of the USA!

They don't WANT TO! They WANT that cheap, illegal labor sneaking in by the thousands on a daily basis.

Whole categories of jobs have already been turned into the infamous "jobs that Americans don't want" because of this US government sponsored invasion.

It has also depressed wages for any American worker that has to compete with the illegals.

If President Bush's amnesty plan is passed, all the jobs that haven't been shipped to China or India yet will suddenly become minimum wage, no benefit jobs that "no Americans want".

[Monty22]

No, I was stating fact. The perception of doing nothing will slam him

[RaceBannon]

If consumers don't have jobs, they are no longer consumers, but recipients of federal aid.

If Consumers take jobs that are 50% less pay then they are accustomed to, then they do not buy items as luxuries, but only as necessities. That means a stagnant economy.

If Consumers don't have money to spend, they dont spend.

These ideas that cheaper goods translate into consumers making out like fat cats is falling on deaf ears.

[RaceBannon]

"Shutting down all production" sounds like the demagoguery and hyperbole which is unfortunately used in this type of conversation.

You obviously aren't involved in manufacturing, are you?

I hate it when arm chair economists who never worked in a factory in their life tell us who did work all our lives in a factory how good it is to see factory work disappear.

Make sure you keep repeating the mantra!

The problem is not jobs leaving the country, it is not capital equipment leaving the country, the problem is not intellectual property leaving the country, the problem is not contracts going to communistic/fascistic/socialistic government run countries that prop up their companies with government funds to defer losses that the US companies cannot compete against...

THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ATTITUDE ABOUT IT!! JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THINGS WILL GET BETTER AND THEY WILL!

[EagleMamaMT]

That's my take on the situation as well. New voters for the Dems, cheap labor to appease big business (e.g. Tyson Foods), courtesy of the Republicans. If you work for wages in this country, you have a target on your back right now.

[RaceBannon]

That's right. Government can't create jobs unless you want more government jobs. It can only create a positive business environment which creates wealth for all.

Then where is your call for an end to H1B Visas?

Where is your call to end Guest Worker Visas?

Where is your call for government to step in and protect American Citizens in THEIR OWN COUNTRY!??!

You free traitors are amazing. You stand on the sidelines and cheer us into doom and gloom and then tell people to start their own businesses because they are unemployed!?!

[sarcasm]

ping

[righto]

You're exaggerating the situationhere. america is the wealthiest country attracting people an investment due to its open economy.
The key is using our economic strength to force open markets worldwide rather than piling on into the problem by being protectionist ourselves.
I agree with you only if the sorldwide economy were a zer sum game. But I don't buy into that one.

[RogueIsland]

I'm still waiting for someone to actually name one creative destruction-created industry to come out of the offshoring mania to compensate for the lost industries -- besides headhunter for an offshore placement firm, that is.

[diamondjoe]

And what, pray tell, is the President's response to this? Nothing. He has not said one freaking thing about outsourcing. I don't think Kerry has a better solution, but Kerry isn't going to get blamed by voters when they see how many jobs have fled overseas--the man at the helm will. As long as Kerry can TALK a good game, he'll be doing far more (and far better) than Bush has.

[mystery-ak]

I hope this isn't what you have been waiting for.

[Walkin Man]

THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ATTITUDE ABOUT IT!! JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THINGS WILL GET BETTER AND THEY WILL!

Sorry, I swore off the Karl Rove kool-aid, Race.

Its one thing to debate economics on a discussion board and a whole other thing to wonder if you can make this months car payment and rent.

I wonder how many people on this board have had to choose between economic theory and real-world bankruptcy?

There but for the grace of God go I...

[righto]

Actually I had a manufacturing business in Canada and moved part of production steside due to the high taxes and regulation in Canada. We did significantly better and I thank America for the opportunity.
I guess that when the steam engine was invented alot of transportation jobs disappeared. But efficiecies created other opprtunities. Schrumpter's creative destruction.

[freeeee]

"This whole "globalism" movement is nothing more than a global "race to the bottom", where the lowest common denominator of the world becomes the standard by which all human affairs are conducted."
- Elliott Jackalope posted on 01/30/2004 11:12:13 AM PST

Wages, working conditions, standards of living... it's all included.

[Dr. Frank fan]

Jobs come from the government. In fact they are "created" by the government. If jobs or "The Economy" is bad, it's the government's fault. The President, by the way, is the "Economy Czar". That's his main job: to make "The Economy" good. It's in the Constitution.

Also if someone gets laid off and then spents 9 months collecting unemployment checks and waiting for a job to open up in the exact same industry as their previous job, pretending that they CAN'T POSSIBLY work in any other industry than the one they were just working in, rather than going down to McDonald's or Walmart or the local frozen yogurt shop or wherever to look for a job, or offering to tutor or do some other informal/part-time work, that's a sign of how desperate they are rather than a sign of how comfortable we all have it that we've made a system that allows us to survive for 6 or 9 or 12 months or even longer with no job whatsoever, and so we should all feel sorry for them. And, of course, we should always, always, always remember to blame the President - I mean, Economy Czar. All good things come from big daddy President.

Did I miss anything?