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Ramblings' Journal | 2.2.04 | Michael King

Posted on 02/02/2004 12:50:44 PM PST by mhking

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To: humboldtconservative
Umm, check again. The piercing does not change the fact that you can clearly see it.
41 posted on 02/02/2004 2:53:09 PM PST by Flightdeck (Death is only a horizon)
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To: OldFriend
Isn't VIACOM the company that advanced hitlary clinton 8 million for a book they didn't see for years ?
42 posted on 02/02/2004 2:57:43 PM PST by ChadGore (Bush 2004 HE'S EARNED IT)
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To: mhking
You just can not say "Just Damn" enough about this stunt. What a fire storm!
43 posted on 02/02/2004 2:59:21 PM PST by Beck_isright (" I cannot vote for a liberal whatever his party label happens to be."-Lazamataz, FR 2004)
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To: Nick Danger
I don't think it's about the boob. I think it's about people being scared. On some visceral level, we all suspect that we're just a bunch of clever savages who have somehow stumbled onto this system for living together in enormous communitites in relative peace.

We're not sure how it works, but we know it has something to do with self-restraint. Many of the things we "don't do" in our society (like baring breasts in public) are totally arbitrary. But they help us get across to children the concept of there being things that "you just don't do" and they also serve as a kind of "Identification Friend or Foe" that is essential as we navigate our way among strangers in our enormous communities.

Someone who accepts the generally-recognized taboos is displaying evidence of having been socialized as a civilized human. It happens, but the guy in a coat and tie who suddenly pulls out a knife and stabs you is a rarity. These little restrictions we place on ourselves may seem stupid and silly, but as a device for communicating "I am capable of self-restraint and I know basic civilized behavior," they save us a lot of time.

Secretary Rumsfeld is almost hilarious in the way he uses 1950's language to swear. His is an extremely sophisticated act, and one thing it shows us is how many of the taboos that used to restrain people's behavior are gone now. When I was a kid, adults of a certain social class did not say 'Damn' or 'Hell' in public. All of that is gone now. We've all seen corporate CEO's spew the f-word in meetings as if it's an everyday word, the way Rumsfeld uses "Oh, goodness gracious no."

When 'Hell' and 'damn' entered the everyday lexicon, the signs were still saying "Savagery 110 miles."

A lot of people saw what happened on TV yesterday -- and it wasn't just Janet and her boob -- as the sign that says "Pavement ends 500 feet."

Is that an over-reaction? I don't think it is. The signs that there is a fundamental "self-restraint" problem out there are all around us. This thing yesterday just happened to hit us over the head with it in a very symbolic way.

Keeping certain, totally arbitrary body parts covered is not being prudish, it is broadcasting to those around you "I am not a danger to you because I know how self-restraint works and I practice it." At one time, not making certain arbitrary mouth-noises was another of those signals. These public displays of self-restraint exist in civilizations because they are useful. When they are all gone, we will not know friend from foe. We will not know who can be trusted, and who can't. Our civilization will be impossible to conduct.

Very good. I've also seen it said this way: "Let it all hang out? It took us 2000 years to tuck it all in!"

44 posted on 02/02/2004 2:59:24 PM PST by cmak9
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To: Flightdeck
Umm, thats not a piercing, that is a pasty. And, you CLEARLY saw it live? Yeah right. You can barely see it in a still photo, let alone a live TV broadcast.
45 posted on 02/02/2004 2:59:52 PM PST by humboldtconservative (deport ALL illegals......immediately......)
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To: humboldtconservative; Flightdeck
Flightdeck just signed on Feb 28...he's not up to snuff on what a hideous act this was.
46 posted on 02/02/2004 3:03:01 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: humboldtconservative
The close up that WAS on drudge clearly showed her nipple. The silver star she wore had a hole in it. the nipple was exposed through it and you can see the bar that goes through her nipple to hold it in place. Find a new diagram.
47 posted on 02/02/2004 3:07:23 PM PST by GLDNGUN (.)
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To: humboldtconservative
Not sure why it matters, because you are right that it barely showed in the TV broadcast, but it is indeed a piercing.... a little star thingy that is held on by a piercing.

http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjj.htm
48 posted on 02/02/2004 3:09:14 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: mhking
If I were a local official in Houston, you can bet I'd look seriously into whether any local obscenity ordinances were violated by the pair.

From the Houston DA's office (by email):

I concur with your outrage but the law in Texas does not criminalize the exposure of a woman's breast in public. The touching of the breast of another to gratify sexual desire is only specifically prohibited if the person touched is under the age of 17 years. I did not see the act, but as I understand the facts, Ms. Jackson could have filed an assault complaint. I do not know whether she has done so or not.

49 posted on 02/02/2004 3:09:33 PM PST by lsucat
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To: Ann Archy
Flightdeck just signed on Feb 28...he's not up to snuff on what a hideous act this was.

I have been here a few years, and I am not sure I am 'up to snuff on what a hideous act this was'. Did I miss a class that was offered last semester?

50 posted on 02/02/2004 3:11:34 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: humboldtconservative
but all of this over a covered boob is preposterous

The UNcovered book was simply the tip of the iceberg (if you'll pardon the pun). The whole halftime show was a disgusting display of simulated sex acts and crotch grabbing. Oh, and the lyrics to most of the songs were just as pleasant. I was tuned in to watch a football game, not MTV filth. Children and families should be able to watch ANY football game, much less the Super Bowl without being "exposed" to such garbage.

51 posted on 02/02/2004 3:12:38 PM PST by GLDNGUN (.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Funny, but I don't remember addressing that to you.
52 posted on 02/02/2004 3:13:46 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Salamander
Bring back "Night Flight," "Midnight Special," &/or Don Kirschner's (spelling?) "Rock Concert."

Rock, be rocked, or step aside (a-la Z-Rock).

Trajan88

53 posted on 02/02/2004 3:20:23 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Ann Archy
You didn't get my application requesting permission to speak to you? That is funny.
54 posted on 02/02/2004 3:22:38 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: GLDNGUN
Who said you had to watch the halftime of the Super Bowl? Why do you have the right to not be offended?

I have watched almost every single football game this year, not once do i see a halftime. Unlike you fairweather fans, I am busy making food or drinks, using the facilities and otherwise preparing for the second half. I don't tune in to the Super Bowl to watch halftime and the commercials. There is ALWAYS an alternative to the halftime show. Many channels used to countdown to the 2nd half with a timer, so you wouldn't miss any football, and I am sure there are still channels that do that.

Since when is the halftime show a part of the game? You say you were tuned in to watch football, but you don't even mention how good the game was. Where was the backlash against NBC when they showed the women's soccer team strip down, on a tape-delayed broadcast? They made the concious decision to show that after they saw it happen. So, it's ok for NBC to show our women's soccer team celebrate without shirts in the Olympics, but a musician gives us a little teaser and its the end of the world. Convoluted logic if you ask me.

55 posted on 02/02/2004 3:44:01 PM PST by humboldtconservative (deport ALL illegals......immediately......)
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To: Ann Archy
Funny, but I don't remember addressing that to you.

Well, now that you mention it, humboldtconservative's post #40, which you responded to, was not addressed to you. Whazzup with that??

56 posted on 02/02/2004 3:46:43 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
LOL...I looked at your web page and see that it says ECURBH LOVES HAIR OF THE DOG!! With PICTURES!! So are you the girl in the picture or the guy?
57 posted on 02/02/2004 3:51:27 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy; humboldtconservative
"Flightdeck just signed on Feb 28...he's not up to snuff on what a hideous act this was."

What's your point Ann Archy? The humboldt guy signed up like six days ago, but that doesn't matter any more than my one year here or your seven. Any argument, even one as ridiculous as this, is decided on its merit. In this case, he was wrong and I was right. See the other posts for confirmation.
58 posted on 02/02/2004 4:08:18 PM PST by Flightdeck (Death is only a horizon)
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To: cmak9
WE know very well who can and who cannot be trusted.

LIBERALS CANNOT BE TRUSTED

59 posted on 02/02/2004 4:12:58 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: mhking
It was a publicity stunt that backfired on one hand, and succeeded for Janet in the wildest way possible - she got the attention she wanted, period.

She may have gotten the attention ... but at the expense of so many

Today we should be talking about the game .. Instead we are talking about her breast

It's a very sad day when we have to have parental supervision to watch a Super Bowl Game

60 posted on 02/02/2004 4:13:51 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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