Top Saudi Cleric Assails Terrorists

AP/YAHOO News ^ | February 1, 2004 | RAWYA RAGEH

[American in Israel]

I can't find a moderate who will stand up for Israel, for example.

And the Moslem Shills here claim that Moderates out number the Radicals by Far. Seems I can see Millions of Fundi-Islamics burning American and Jewish flags, but Moderates I can count on one hand.

For people who claim to have invented Math, they sure have a funny way of applying it.

[American in Israel]

You ever see a Pali Parade where the streets are packed from wall to wall with a sea of people burning flags and mock school buses waving their RPG's and dressing like kkk members with the obligitory C4 belt?

You ever see a Moderation Parade?

If two Arabs speak peace to one-another in an alleyway and nobody sees it, is it a parade?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Your ignorance would fill volumes.

I'm Cuban, but to some of you, we're all Mexicans.

In light of the fact that I am the father to Jewish children, I would find it difficult to be the anti-semite you and your fellow traveler would paint me to be.

Now, one more time.

You claimed that I attacked Christianity on this thread, I've asked you several times to show me where...called you a liar in the process.

You have neither completed the simple task of pointing to the post where my "attacks" took place, nor have you bothered to defend yourself.

That not only makes you a liar, but a self-acknowledged one at that.

[American in Israel]

So what do you think the chances are of the moderates issuing a world-wide fatwah against Islamic terrorists/extremists?

Pretty slim, since the only ones with the authority to issue world wide Fatwah's are too darn busy issuing world wide fatwah's against Israel and America. But perhaps when they sober up they might sing a different tune out of the other side of their face, most likely the english speaking side.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"You ever see a Moderation Parade?"

Have you ever seen one anywhere?

Your intellectual dishonesty is truly mind boggling.

[American in Israel]

I think it's clear that the hi-jackers of Islam are not really of Islam, but only wrapping themselves in the trappings of Islam to gain a modicum of support from the world of Islam.

If the Qu'ran itself is terroristic and it is, and the Attack on the United States was filled with citizens of Mecca which is the location that All of Islam prostrates to 5 times a day, who the heck is the REAL Islam, and where are they based out of, Podunk Idaho? Are you forgetting that all these Fatwahs and radical newspaper articles calling for the destruction of America and Israel are coming from Newspaper Offices based in DICTATORSHIPS? You are living proof that Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"And the Moslem Shills here claim that Moderates out number the Radicals by Far. Seems I can see Millions of Fundi-Islamics burning American and Jewish flags."

Which means that you are not seeing hundreds of millions doing the same.

Who needs to debate you when you defeat your own arguments?

"For people who claim to have invented Math, they sure have a funny way of applying it."

Fuzzy math seems to be your problem.

[nuconvert]

You didn't answer my question. # 136

To: American in Israel
Are you saying we should kill all muslims?

[nuconvert]

Good.

I said: Take it up with him:

Grand Ayatollah Montazeri - "the Qur'an speaks continuously of a God of love, clemency, and mercy."

[American in Israel]

Luis, I live in a country where 80% of the moslems are openly for terrorism, and dance in the streets giving candy out when 911 happened, and when some city bus blows up. I clearly see what Islam is all about in the blood on the streets and in the market places and on the walls of the coffee shops.

I hardly think your musings on what I see is valid. My statistic was to point out that in the United States we locked up one man who was a blood thirsty killer that taught to kill people was holy. His name was Charles Manson.

In Arabia they made him a Prophet and worship him.

Anybody, and I mean anybody who becomes a Moslem at this point is so corrupt or so foolish they should not be allowed to own pointy objects.

As for the comments about the media somehow not pointing out Moderate Islamics:

[nuconvert]

Hi, Luis.

How you doin?

[Luis Gonzalez]

The majority of the world's Muslims do not live in your neighborhood.

The majority of them live outside of the Middle East.

The largest Muslim populations in the world are in Indonesia, India, the Philippines, China.

The world's problems are precipitated by Muslim extremism, but just like you can't judge all Christians by the words and actions of Christian Identity, the Ku Klux Klan, or even Charles Manson, you can't judge all Muslims based on the actions of the extremists.

Your insistence in painting all Muslims as extremist murderers makes you part of the problem, and kin to the extremists.

[American in Israel]

--"You ever see a Moderation Parade?"

Have you ever seen one anywhere?

That was my point son, thank you for restating it so simpler minds could follow.

Your intellectual dishonesty is truly mind boggling.

ROTFLMAO! I ain't a touching that one.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Doing great!

I saw you on the thread about the Cuban guys who tried getting here in the '51 Chevy.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"That was my point son, thank you for restating it so simpler minds could follow."

I didn't make it simple enough for you, or so it seems.

Moderates don't march ANYWHERE.

Not here, not in Europe, not in China, Iran, Egypt.

By their very nature, moderates don't march.

Those were not moderates marching against the Vietnam War in the '70's. They were not moderates marching on either side of the Bush/Gore recount issue, they were not moderates marching to make their opinion known on the WMF in Seattle.

[nuconvert]

Oh, yeah.

Wish someone would offer them sponsorship and jobs.

What's the latest on that story?

[American in Israel]

The largest Muslim populations in the world are in Indonesia, India, the Philippines, China.

Lets see, in the Philippines you got Moslem "extremests" kidnapping people and chopping off their heads. In Indonesia you got entire Christian towns being wiped out by Moslem "extremists" and in China there is no news because China never speaks of its problems. I guess since the door is shut there, you expect that the actions are different than in all the other nations in the entire world that Moslems have reached over 10% population? Shoe fits, try wearing it. If 95% of the worlds wars are based in Islam, you might think that perhaps...

That is, if you think. But then that has not yet been demonstrated. You accuse, you label, but you do not read any of the very fine points many freepers have presented to you on this thread. You cannot post any statistics saying different because frankly Islam is a religion of Death with a 1400 year history of the same to prove it. You cannot quote the Qu'ran because by far the Qu'ran matches what the Moslems themselves say it is, a religion/governmental system of conquest and war.

Somehow, you, a Roman/Catholic/Mexican/Jewish/Christian know more about the Moslems then the Moslems themselves, who, if you have not noticed have pronounced a JIHAD or HOLY WAR on the Western World.

Just what part of dumber than a fence post applies here?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Don't know.

Back later!

[American in Israel]

Moderates dont march? Tell that to the Pollsters in Florida.

Gnite Luis, you are making me sleepy. Go be a Moslem if you want, but you are a shame to Islam. If a simple minded indian infidel can tie you in knots, Mohammad must be scraping the bottom of the barrel nowadays.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Funny, those countries have a problem with Muslim extremists...just like we do.

But since they are Islamic countries, it's hard to make the argument that the problem is Islam, because they would not be having a problem...would they?

There are no fine points that any of you have presented, your "fine points" differ very little from the teachings of the most extremists of fundamentalist Islamic clerics in the most backwards of countries.

They preach "hate all Christians and Jews because they are evil", and you claim that this makes them evil. You preach "hate all Muslims because they are evil"...that makes you kin to them, and equally as evil.

And that fact, in and of itself, exposes you as part of the problem.