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Bush vs. Kerry: It will be more interesting than you think
The Weekly Standard ^ | 02/09/04 | Jeffrey Bell & Frank Cannon

Posted on 01/30/2004 9:06:40 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: .cnI redruM
I predicted a 54-46 Bush win a few months back.

I'd stick with that if the Bush campaign is successful at showing the country how liberal Kerry really is.

21 posted on 01/31/2004 12:49:59 AM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Frankly, at this point in history, the 'revolt' over his immigration policy is already complete, and has been successful. It doesn't involve a revolt that will keep most conservatives from voting for him, but something more mature: The pressure on our elected officials in Congress on this key issue has already been such that any hope of passage of the Bush plan is DOA. Game, set, match.

Exactly!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065774/posts "Republican lawmakers who generally back President Bush are not backing him on immigration. In fact, they want their leaders to know they have "serious concerns" about President Bush's proposed immigration policy. In a letter addressed to House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) and several other members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus said they won't go along with the president's plan because it "does not address the problem appropriately." "In fact, in our view, it will further exacerbate the problem and create discontent amongst the Republican Party," the letter said." "

22 posted on 01/31/2004 1:01:40 AM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Howlin
"I should mention the obvious fact that the political assasination of Dean has the Clinton's fingerprints all over the knife."

I liked the way Howlin boiled it all down to a nut shell, wherein 3 factions are fighting for control of the Democratic party:

Dean = Al Gore
Clark = The Clintons
Kerry = Ted Kennedy

23 posted on 01/31/2004 1:33:02 AM PST by JudyB1938
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To: JudyB1938
Yep. That's about the way it plays. Interesting that it is Teddy who is winning at the moment.

I guess we shouldn't underestimate the ability of the Clintons, though, to co-opt any of them.

With Kerry it should be easy. All they have to do is spirit him away while Teddy is slumped over a bar somewhere.

;-)
24 posted on 01/31/2004 1:38:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Pokey78
For President Bush and his political team, the strategic landscape has become far simpler.

Yep, for the sociopath won't be able to keep his mouth shut and fade away as he should. This is the BEST political asset Dubya has going for him in his endeavors to be reelected.

25 posted on 01/31/2004 1:47:45 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: Pokey78
The fun is in watching Kerry morph into Jane Fonda. We should call him "Hanoi John".
26 posted on 01/31/2004 4:12:05 AM PST by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats.)
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To: Pokey78
Good post. Thanks.
27 posted on 01/31/2004 4:18:51 AM PST by RJCogburn ("That's you, Cheney. You lost the horse.".....Lucky Ned Pepper.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
>>>Bush is a socialist. Kerry is a communist. That is our choice.


ROFL...How true, how true!
28 posted on 01/31/2004 5:35:02 AM PST by The Raven
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To: dfwgator
Getting his left arm injured during WW II didn't help Dole against "draft dodger" Clinton

I was being sarcastic.

The way I see it, you can trade on your heroism politically within a narrow margin.

If you were a hero and supported the effort, that's your stand. If you were a hero and were against the war, that's your stand.

You can't have it both ways. And sooner or later people are going to wonder what you can do for them besides remind them what you did 30 years ago- even if you aren't so sure yourself.

29 posted on 01/31/2004 5:57:13 AM PST by IncPen ( F the U.N.)
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To: Pokey78
Kerry may be able to give different answers to the same question depending on the setting but he does have an extremely liberal voting record. There is a congressional track record on this guy and the republicans should hammer him as a big time liberal throughout the campgain.

Ultimately, he is a northeastern liberal democrat who can be easily defeated if he is presented as such.
30 posted on 01/31/2004 7:36:22 AM PST by bereanway
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To: ValerieUSA
For Democrats, this is likely to mean a sophisticated, predictable, low-risk national campaign, somewhat analogous to Bob Dole's 1996 challenge of President Clinton. A Kerry nomination is precisely the kind of result aimed for by Democratic chairman Terry McAuliffe in his drive to front-load the primaries, assuring an early nominee who will have plenty of time to unify the party. In a bonus for McAuliffe, the prospective nominee opted out of his federal matching-funds subsidy, exempting him from the anachronistically low fundraising limits assigned to nomination fights. The Kerry campaign is free to spend as much as it can raise between now and the party convention.
Two possibilities -- the first is that the Dean campaign will now surge back, because Kerry doesn't interest most Democrats, bringing about a convention fight (which is the scenario I'd prefer, quite frankly). Dean supporters have an inexplicable devotion to their shallow hero's alleged positions on things.

The second is that the machine politics familiar from many decades of "Democratic" history will lock in the nomination for Kerry. That's the scenario implied by the editorial.
What most infuriates Howard Dean about John Kerry is the latter's tendency to alternate between the two possible answers to such seemingly binary questions as President Bush's invasion of Iraq. Dean, like Kerry's other opponents, has watched helplessly as the front-runner alternately takes hawkish and dovish stances, depending on the headlines of the week.
Yeah, right, because Dean never does that.

The third scenario is utter abandonment of the nominee, whomever it turns out to be, by everyone except the "Anybody but Bush" groupthink three minute hate crowd and the always vote straight ticket don't think just do it crowd. Both of those crowds are small and shrinking.

It wouldn't surprise me if the whole field again turns over, because I'm not too sure I believe this:
It marks the defeat of Howard Dean's antiwar, left-populist rebellion by the quintessential candidate of the Democratic establishment.
Them's fightin' words for the Dean supporters, and also for the lifelong Democretins -- how dare you tell us what we're thinking?!?

There's also the fact that the Democripples didn't offer a single viable candidate who was for the war, apart from Lieberman, and he isn't really viable either. Regarding the War on Terror, the only way out is through (to rip a line from the lifelong Democreature Joel Mabus, a folk singer).

Edwards swears up and down that he will be the nominee, and that's his standard answer for "will you accept the VP nomination?" One may recall how JFK nearly wound up the VP nominee (Stevenson was the P nominee) to run against Eisenhower/Nixon, and later said, if he had his political career would have been over.

Edwards can reasonably look toward 2008 and an attempt at wresting the nomination away from Shelob, er, Hillary, provided he doesn't screw anything up. Yeah, he's just another slimy ambulance chaser, but he has nice hair. And that's enough to elect a Dim to the presidency. If you don't believe me, look into the old Carter campaign sometime. :')
For President Bush and his political team, the strategic landscape has become far simpler. Fallen by the wayside are such divergent scenarios as a centrist New Democrat trying to pick off a few of the red states, an anti-political man on horseback, an Old Left protectionist appeal to the agricultural and industrial heartland, and (within a very short time, we believe) a '60s-style challenge to America's role in the world.
The only weakness in the Bush-Cheney ticket is Cheney. His health has been an issue right along. Obviously no one seems to much care, but it's apparently a carefully calculated false target, like the moving cape for the bull.
31 posted on 01/31/2004 8:19:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (When the cuttin' was done, the only part that wasn't bloody was the soles of the big man's feet.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Bush is a socialist. Kerry is a communist. That is our choice.

Stupid comment.

32 posted on 01/31/2004 8:23:44 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Pokey78
On November 6, 2000, TWO AND A HALF MILLION MORE AMERICANS voted for socialism and retreat than voted for Bush.

His reelection is by no means a certainty.

33 posted on 01/31/2004 8:32:19 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: SunkenCiv
You've got to hand it to the leftist press - they are doing their damned best to make the presidential race "interesting." But it's doomed. Despite their lying polls, twisted stats, pretended expertise and mustered enthusiasm, there is no race. I don't think even Bob Dole has enough little blue pills to bring this to life.

It's dead, Jim.
~ "Bones" McCoy
34 posted on 01/31/2004 8:42:38 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: EternalVigilance
Perhaps the most interesting and most important question currently is what the Deaniacs will do once the political assasination of their hero is complete.

They'll stay home and pout...

35 posted on 01/31/2004 8:50:31 AM PST by Snardius
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To: Pokey78
I'm getting the feeling someone on this forum thinks the american voteing public is smarter THAN Al Gore.. and since Gore won a full half of the voteing public in 2000..

I NEED EVIDENCE...

36 posted on 01/31/2004 9:03:46 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: hosepipe
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
37 posted on 01/31/2004 9:06:49 AM PST by Snardius
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To: finnman69
I think not. But believe what you will.
38 posted on 01/31/2004 9:12:07 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: Snardius
They'll stay home and pout...

Then the President wins re-election by a very comfortable margin.

39 posted on 01/31/2004 9:26:29 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: finnman69
BTW, from A December Inquirer article:

WASHINGTON - President Bush came to office saying he was a fiscal conservative, but federal spending has skyrocketed on his watch.

Overall spending is up at least 16 percent since he took office, far more than the 2 percent average annual inflation rate over the same period. According to one recent analysis, the government now spends $20,000 a year for every household in the United States, the most since World War II.

Today, Bush will usher in another big, new spending program, signing Medicare legislation that creates a prescription-drug benefit for senior citizens at an estimated cost of $400 billion over the next 10 years.

"Spending is up across the board," said Brian Riedl, a budget expert at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research center. "In the past year and a half, we've had the biggest education bill in history, we've had the biggest farm bill in history, and now we're about to have the biggest expansion of the Great Society."

Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a bipartisan budget watchdog group, said Bush had joined with the Republican-led Congress in "a huge explosion of spending."

"The Bush administration hasn't done anything to control spending," he said. "He hasn't vetoed a single [spending] bill as he contributes to the expansion of entitlement programs."

Spending on homeland security, an issue that drew little attention before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, increased by 85 percent last year with the creation of the Homeland Security Department. Even so, it cost only $41 billion in a federal budget of $2.1 trillion - about 2 percent of federal spending.

Bush's record is a big disappointment to conservatives, who share his stated goal of a leaner federal government. "President Bush has yet to meet a spending bill he doesn't like," the Wall Street Journal complained in a recent editorial denouncing what it called "the GOP's spending spree."

An analysis by the Cato Institute, a libertarian research center, branded Bush "the Mother of All Big Spenders" and compared him unfavorably to Clinton. By Cato's accounting, after adjusting for inflation, nondefense spending decreased 0.7 percent during Clinton's first three years in office while it increased nearly 21 percent during the comparable period under Bush.

The Heritage Foundation, usually a White House ally, found that 55 percent of the spending increases since Bush took office had nothing to do with defense or homeland security. The Heritage analysis also concluded that spending had reached $20,000 per household.

In some cases, Bush pushed for spending increases. For example, federal spending on education, a top presidential priority, has increased 65 percent under Bush.

On other issues, Bush accepted spending increases backed by Congress for popular programs. To the dismay of some conservatives, he signed a six-year, $249 billion farm bill last year that abandoned efforts to roll back agriculture subsidies.

Many Democrats contend that the problem is not excessive government spending, it's Bush's tax cuts. As spending was rising, tax reductions reduced Treasury revenues and were responsible for about one-third of this year's deficit, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan watchdog group. Deficit hawks say Bush has not matched his spending policies with his tax policies. {my note: After Bush expands the federal government and produces a massive deficit/debt, the Dims will solve the problemn by raising taxes when they come to power again}

Riedl, the Heritage budget expert, faults the President for failing to push harder for spending restraint.

"Congress must hold the line on unnecessary spending," he said during a September visit to Kansas City, Mo. "They need to understand that in order to cut the deficits in half, we must have spending discipline in Washington, D.C., and I will insist upon spending discipline." {my note: yeah, right. And if you believe that, I have a bridge near San Francisco to sell you.}

Contact reporter Ron Hutcheson at 202-383-6101 or rhutcheson@krwashington.com. © 2003 Philadelphia Inquirer and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. http://www.philly.com

So tell me, exactly when is Bush going to start behaving like a (fiscal) a Conservative? Seems to me he has been backing socialist policies since day one. I rest my case.

40 posted on 01/31/2004 9:40:37 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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