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'Illegal': Slur or accurate label?
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^
| 1/28/04
| Rick Badie
Posted on 01/28/2004 7:35:34 PM PST by NortNork
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:35:35 PM PST
by
NortNork
To: NortNork
I guess it's time for the left-wing Stalinists to outlaw another word.
To: NortNork
Local talk radio KFI 640 has a pair of 'gadflies' called "John and Ken". A caller the other referred to himself five times as an "illegal citizen" and they never called him on it.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:38:44 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(Socialism is Slavery)
To: NortNork; gubamyster
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:39:52 PM PST
by
Marine Inspector
(Tancredo for President 2004 / Russell Pearce for Congress 2004)
To: NortNork
According to Websters.
Illegal : not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT; also : not sanctioned by official rules.
whats the problem?
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:40:48 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(.50 cal border fence)
To: cripplecreek
The problem seems to be that the truth is not desirable for some segments of the population.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:42:35 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(Socialism is Slavery)
To: NortNork
"I don't think it's illegal to come here, work hard, and live in peace," [Victoria Chacon] said. This is a relatively tricky bit of rhetoric. What she meant, but not what she said, is "I don't think it should be illegal to come here..." She clearly knows that these people are breaking the law, and therefore are here illegaly. However, by phrasing things in this manner, she is far more effective. As Mark Twain said, "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." I believe that if anyone really wants to make a difference, they need to take a lesson from people like her (Arabs are particularly good at this game).
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:44:33 PM PST
by
psychoknk
To: NortNork
If someone broke the law to get here, or breaks it now by working under the table or engaging in identity theft and fraud, they're illegal aliens. Not a terrifically complicated legal point.
To think that someone can even imagine equating the factual term, "illegal alien", with the truly nasty word, "nigger", is astonishing.
Such an attempt at comparison demonstrates the comparer's grotesque ignorance not just of history, but of the English language itself.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:44:56 PM PST
by
Gefreiter
To: NortNork
ILLEGAL ALIEN is neither "SLUR", nor "ACCURATE".
It is H O N E S T. Plain and simple. H O N E S T.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:45:44 PM PST
by
Howie66
("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
To: BenLurkin
No kidding, theres an ordinance in jackson that prohibits "racially devisive terms, words, or speech."
You can however say the dreaded "N" word in your home as long as it isnt loud enough to be heard outside.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:46:18 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(.50 cal border fence)
To: Reactionary
" 'Illegal' means you came as an immigrant, and broke the law," said Hanson, who founded the classics studies department at Fresno State University "It's a precise term, and not just for Mexicans."
So, why can't people who understand English, see the truth?? If the illegals want to come here, go by the rules and you won't be illegal any more. What is the problem here?? Just do the right thing. If not, we don't want you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:47:21 PM PST
by
Ethyl
To: NortNork
Too many Latinos are illiterate in two languages. "Illegal immigrant" is a precise word use. It does not imply a value judgement, it's just a description, and an accurate one at that. Are we supposed to use corporate mush because they're unhappy about it?
To: NortNork
Gee, to me and most other American citizens this phrase "illegal immigrant" is not very difficult to decipher.
I don't believe anyone is disputing the word immigrant. As long as I have been speaking the English language (and remember, we are talking English, the language spoken by most Americans) the word immigrant has referred to someone who came from another country to make his home here in the USA.
That leaves just the word illegal. Either you do something within the bounds of the law or you don't. If it is within the bounds of the law, it is illegal. If it is outside the rule of law, it is illegal.
Sorry, but the painful truth is that if you are an immigrant and are not here legally, with the proper visa and other legal papers, you are an illegal immigrant. And if you find the term "illegal immigrant" insulting or demeaning or hurtful, feel free to go back to your country of origin.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:52:17 PM PST
by
WayneM
(Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
To: NortNork
We've already agreed to not use the wetback anymore. I think they are pressing their luck.
To: NortNork
Chacon has adopted "undocumented workers" as the term of choice.What about the ones who don't work? For example, criminals? If somebody is a forger, I guess he would be a undocumented document creator.
To: NortNork
"Similar to the way the n-word was used to dehumanize African-Americans." Well, it's obvious where this is going. Personally, I don't care how they dress it up, I refuse to use any other term than illegal alien, because that is exactly what they are! If that makes them feel bad, maybe that's a good thing. A person'ts conscience should condemn them when they are commiting crimes and usurping privileges not rightfully theirs. If they don't like it, tough! I'm not going to try to make them feel better about stealing from my country.
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posted on
01/28/2004 7:59:39 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
To: NortNork
You know George Orwell had it right on the language thing. Control the language and you control the ability to express thought. And those who control the past control the future. When confronted with an ethical issue the solution is to change the terms in order to make it palatible. Pervert becomes Queer becomes Gay. Baby becomes Fetus. Yada yada yada. poopie.
To: NortNork
"A good comparison would be to say a bank robber simply made an unauthorized withdrawal," LOL! I'll have to remember that one.
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posted on
01/28/2004 8:02:50 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
To: NortNork
In La Vision de Georgia, the Spanish language newspaper she publishes Monday through Friday, Chacon has adopted "undocumented workers" as the term of choice.
What then do you call those who do not work, the "undocumented non-workers"? How about the ones who are here stealing cars, "undocumneted car thief"? OOPs, sorry, can`t use the word thief. "undocumented car-jacker" , darn, can`t use car-jacker either huh. Crook ? No. Bandit? No. Robber? No. Filcher? No. Defrauder? No. Lawbreaker? No. Sneak ? No. OH , I give up......
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posted on
01/28/2004 8:02:54 PM PST
by
Peace will be here soon
(Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)
To: sweetliberty
Yes,it is illegal to come here and look for a job without proper papers,without permission.Illegal means against the law.They operate outside the law.
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posted on
01/28/2004 8:04:06 PM PST
by
MEG33
(America will never seek a permission slip to provide for the security of our country)
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